Popular Post DCJonah Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Look at the 3 teams that went up, all 3 integrated a consistent style of football that produced results. My fear all season has been the way we play football under bruce doesn't consistently get the results needed. You could just tell that Fulham are a better coached team, and we had a manager who just relies on having better players than most of the teams we play. Someone else said it, to make the playoffs and score 1 set piece goal is embarrassing. My opinion on bruce has changed but ultimately he has lived up to my worst fear about him. Not sure if he should stay, i think a new approach is needed. Also after failing this year I don't think fans will be as patient next year and that could really disrupt things. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratvillan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 We fell between Cardiff and Fulham in terms of playing style, we can play quick passing football, but not on a regular basis. We do grind out results but not on a regular basis ( we beat wolves, then lose a couple). We need a manager who specialises in a style of play, be it passing or hoofball, and sets the team up to play that way. Being half and half will only get you the playoffs at best. Bruce is half and half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I think Bruce probably needs some time off anyway, it may be better to get someone in now to work exclusively with our younger players and try to build something. We can still retain a bit of extra experience but there is an opportunity here for someone hungry for it who will see villa as a step up and embrace it. I could still see Bruce here if finances allow but I get the feeling this season will have caused him to pause his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 hours ago, TRO said: We may be set up negatively for a reason.....do you think its just for no reason at all? ......that the manager just likes it that way? Yes! The reason is that's what Steve Bruce knows. And it's utter garbage to watch. If it gets results, great. Doesn't make it enjoyable in my eyes, but whatever at least we're winning, I like that. But when we don't get results, like yesterday, like this season, there's no silver lining. Second half we opened up a bit, were more on top I'd say. Why couldn't we do that from the start? Why couldn't we do that this season?! We'd have gone up automatically as we had players than everyone. Steve Bruce has cost us. No one else. Can't even afford to sack him, hopefully he'll walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Yes! The reason is that's what Steve Bruce knows. And it's utter garbage to watch. If it gets results, great. Doesn't make it enjoyable in my eyes, but whatever at least we're winning, I like that. But when we don't get results, like yesterday, like this season, there's no silver lining. Second half we opened up a bit, were more on top I'd say. Why couldn't we do that from the start? Why couldn't we do that this season?! We'd have gone up automatically as we had players than everyone. Steve Bruce has cost us. No one else. Can't even afford to sack him, hopefully he'll walk. Bruce has stated he wishes to carry on if those above him want him to continue . A decision either way needs to be made very quickly so we can go about preparing for next seasons squad . ‘I can see both sides of the coin regarding Bruce staying or going - time will tell. Edited May 27, 2018 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Look at the 3 teams that went up, all 3 integrated a consistent style of football that produced results. My fear all season has been the way we play football under bruce doesn't consistently get the results needed. You could just tell that Fulham are a better coached team, and we had a manager who just relies on having better players than most of the teams we play. Someone else said it, to make the playoffs and score 1 set piece goal is embarrassing. My opinion on bruce has changed but ultimately he has lived up to my worst fear about him. Not sure if he should stay, i think a new approach is needed. Also after failing this year I don't think fans will be as patient next year and that could really disrupt things. Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, briny_ear said: Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? By not being behind the manager and putting a lot of pressure on him to get results obviously. That's never is a good atmosphere to play in, and can lead to a manager getting sacked mid-season which could obviously disrupt things. How did that sound like a threat? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 If he doesn't go then I'm not renewing next season I'm not wasting anymore time or money . I know quite a few other fans who feel likewise and they will find it difficult to shift corporate seats for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? Relax, it is hardly a threat. I think bad spells next year will be met with more hostility and that kind of disruption is not going to help a team achieve promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Keyblade said: By not being behind the manager and putting a lot of pressure on him to get results obviously. That's never is a good atmosphere to play in, and can lead to a manager getting sacked mid-season which could obviously disrupt things. How did that sound like a threat? Thanks. Think someone has gone far too defensive this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post striker Posted May 27, 2018 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Bruce generally put all his eggs in one basket and opted for experience in the transfer market. One team built to get out of the Championship and two others then to stabilise and push on in the Premier League we were told (Not by Bruce to be fair). The problem with the first team was and many called it, too many players signed in the twilight of their careers who were then expected to execute a physical system over a very long arduous season in the Championship. Bruce was asking Adomah and Snodgrass to continually provide attacking intent while also covering for suspect full backs and no surprise when both players were affected by fatigue even before the playoff final. That cut Villa's offensive capability in halve hence too much reliance on keeping a clean sheet for most of the season and indeed on Grealish when he came back. The signing of Whelan added to the aging Jedinak was never going to be the way forward especially with Terry at the heart of the defence and that was again noted on here. Villa's play for the most part this season was predestrain, laboured and predicable which was in contrast to two of the three teams promoted. That should now be a lesson learnt by the board and chairman. The way of Bruce's type of management has now gone. Moyes sacked. Big Sam also sacked and if Villa are to move forward then the same must happen to Bruce. With players out of contract, players returning from loans and players no longer having the legs for yet another Championship season it is now time for a new young vibrant Villa which is already there in the U23s. UTV. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? I think we'll be happy when win and sad when we lose. Then having Bruce will say fans are hysterical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 9 hours ago, TRO said: Yes they have been doing that all season.....so why wasn't we ready for it.?.....our form is hit and miss. **** me Stag......If you and me was playing in defence, would we have to be coached or told that?.....its ****ing basic mate. I agree with your comment on the one tactic approach.....We have proven we can play like it against Wolves and we have equally shown we can't play like it, like today , QPR, Bolton......We are inconsistent, which means we are fundamentally not good enough. Yes, we would have to be coached. We would be given instructions as to how the manager wanted us to play. My word, do you think the manager just says "yeah, you are professional defenders, off you go, defend!" Its ****ing basic that the manager sets the team up and the players try and play to that system, whether that is the best system for them or not. When the manager sets you up into a system that is defensive, and inviting the opposition onto you all game, mistakes will happen. THAT is the point I have been trying to make all season. Why are we not fundamentally not good enough? that is the question. Are your trying to tell me that Man for Man, Cardiff and Fulhams players are better than ours? They aren't. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, briny_ear said: I’ve got no idea either, er..., or maybe here? Oops, yes, my mistake, i did add that after I posted, and gave you a stupid get out of jail as you still didn't answer the original question....... Edited May 27, 2018 by TheStagMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 8 hours ago, TRO said: I disagree....They are inconsistent. We may be set up negatively for a reason.....do you think its just for no reason at all? ......that the manager just likes it that way? Er yes, I will give the next manager my support, if I think he deserves it. so what was good enough about Adomah and snodgrass's performance, what exactly was good enough about Hourihanes performance, when did they keep the ball and make a nuisance of themselves, when did they make runs that hurt the opposition. We had one up front so the Midfield 5 should have had a field day against their 3......What more support can a manager give a midfield......granted the forward had the bums rush, but we couldn't even control midfield, particularly in the first half.....We have players at times that just " shadow box" just run about doing naff all. YES! EXACTLY THAT it is how he has set up every team he has ever managed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) Outside of the starting line up, he got a lot of things wrong yesterday. Did he want us to play THAT deep first half, probably not, but instructions were still probably there to contain. He substitutions were far too late and didn’t seem to have a plan. How many times this season have we failed to perform for 90 minutes? I think he’s done a great job of building back the professionalism at the club and stopping the rot. Ive always said failure to go up should result in him leaving, but I do worry about who we’d replace him with. I also think he is very well liked and has great connections, any remote chance of keeping Terry and maybe even Snodgrass rests with Bruce . Im very torn now over keeping him or not. Edited May 27, 2018 by mikeyp102 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, striker said: Bruce generally put all his eggs in one basket and opted for experience in the transfer market. One team built to get out of the Championship and two others then to stabilise and push on in the Premier League we were told (Not by Bruce to be fair). The problem with the first team was and many called it, too many players signed in the twilight of their careers who were then expected to execute a physical system over a very long arduous season in the Championship. Bruce was asking Adomah and Snodgrass to continually provide attacking intent while also covering for suspect full backs and no surprise when both players were affected by fatigue even before the playoff final. That cut Villa's offensive capability in halve hence too much reliance on keeping a clean sheet for most of the season and indeed on Grealish when he came back. The signing of Whelan added to the aging Jedinak was never going to be the way forward especially with Terry at the heart of the defence and that was again noted on here. Villa's play for the most part this season was predestrain, laboured and predicable which was in contrast to two of the three teams promoted. That should now be a lesson learnt by the board and chairman. The way of Bruce's type of management has now gone. Moyes sacked. Big Sam also sacked and if Villa are to move forward then the same must happen to Bruce. With players out of contract, players returning from loans and players no longer having the legs for yet another Championship season it is now time for a new young vibrant Villa which is already there in the U23s. UTV. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? By relentlessly "briefing against the club"? LOL Edited May 27, 2018 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I really like Steve Bruce but I think that his time here is done. He should bow out gracefully and we need to look towards a manager that is tactically cut out with solid coaching methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 56 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Interesting final comment. What sort of threat is this? How do you think the “fans” will disrupt things? Vote with feet - or create a toxic atmosphere I guess ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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