Grasshopper Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I'm absolutely livid an almighty rant is in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Chicken Field said: Rafa Benitez, no promotions, Chris Hughton, 1, Wagner 0, Stam 0, Monk, 0 and Carlos Carvalhal 0. Where are these 6 managers history ? where is their pedigree in this league? The defense used on bruce logic, means that these managers are all bad and worse than Bruce, because Bruce has 4 times as many promotions as these combined. Yet. these 6 managers are in the top 6 and we are in a relegation battle. People are so caught up about his history, history counts for sh¤t. Every decision he has made so far has been wrong. There is no logical reason reason to keep him. Oh, and the stability argument, only Hughton of the top 6 managers, has been at the club for 2 full seasons. I'm not defending Bruce at all and I think he should go but I think there are particularly deep-seated issues at this club that aren't necessarily present at most or all of the clubs you mentioned. That said I don't think we should just go after another experienced Championship manager after him. We may as well go abroad for someone who's got a record of playing good, cultured football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: I'm absolutely livid an almighty rant is in the air Make sure you do it as a list though. They're always great to read 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Could it be that Bruce is at a point in his career where he isn't 100% up for the fight? Just like players, managers go through periods where they are not driven or motivated enough. He might have thought that this would be an easy, cozy job where he could pick up a hefty salary without even having the pressure of getting into the play off spots. Big club, loads of money, on paper at least a the opportunity to buy a good squad. And just like us he probably thought that whatever happened he would not be as bad as the previous managers. Easy job... Probably not. But if this is Bruce at 100% and commitment then he isn't half the manager I thought he was. And I did not rate him to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzaleed Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, VillaCas said: Firstly, I've no confidence at all that leaving Bruce in place will allow us to avoid relegation and secondly, I think Bruce has already had a 'reasonable' amount of time to show progress. So for me burying our heads in the sand and hoping for the best will lead to league 1 He's had less than half a season and about 3 weeks with his new players. That's enough time? It might seem like an eternal nightmare at the moment but 3 weeks to gel a team is not by anyone's reasonable standards enough time. Edited February 15, 2017 by tezzaleed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sne said: Could it be that Bruce is at a point in his career where he isn't 100% up for the fight? Just like players, managers go through periods where they are not driven or motivated enough. He might have thought that this would be an easy, cozy job where he could pick up a hefty salary without even having the pressure of getting into the play off spots. Big club, loads of money, on paper at least a the opportunity to buy a good squad. And just like us he probably thought that whatever happened he would not be as bad as the previous managers. Easy job... Probably not. But if this is Bruce at 100% and commitment then he isn't half the manager I thought he was. And I did not rate him to start with. Yup, I remember when he came in he was even having subtle digs at the others. Funny thing is XIA sacked RDM so we could secure promotion THIS season. RDM was adamant this was a 2 year project, doesn't seem so crazy now. lol Edited February 15, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, sne said: Could it be that Bruce is at a point in his career where he isn't 100% up for the fight? Just like players, managers go through periods where they are not driven or motivated enough. He might have thought that this would be an easy, cozy job where he could pick up a hefty salary without even having the pressure of getting into the play off spots. Big club, loads of money, on paper at least a the opportunity to buy a good squad. And just like us he probably thought that whatever happened he would not be as bad as the previous managers. Easy job... Probably not. But if this is Bruce at 100% and commitment then he isn't half the manager I thought he was. And I did not rate him to start with. Seems like everybody who walks through the doors, players or managers, end up with hardly fight left in them after a few of months. Edited February 15, 2017 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Chicken Field said: Rafa Benitez, no promotions, Chris Hughton, 1, Wagner 0, Stam 0, Monk, 0 and Carlos Carvalhal 0. Where are these 6 managers history ? where is their pedigree in this league? The defense used on bruce logic, means that these managers are all bad and worse than Bruce, because Bruce has 4 times as many promotions as these combined. I don't think there's a single person on VT who has said this. Edited February 15, 2017 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, tezzaleed said: He's had less than half a season and about 3 weeks with his new players. That's enough time? It might seem like an eternal nightmare at the moment but 3 weeks to gel a team is not by anyone's reasonable standards enough time. Isn't it? We're signing proven players at this level. We've got a proven manager at this level. We should be still getting fairly decent results while we wait for things to gel and click. No team in the whole of English football is getting worse results than us in 2017. That can't be just because we haven't gelled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, sne said: Could it be that Bruce is at a point in his career where he isn't 100% up for the fight? Just like players, managers go through periods where they are not driven or motivated enough. He might have thought that this would be an easy, cozy job where he could pick up a hefty salary without even having the pressure of getting into the play off spots. Big club, loads of money, on paper at least a the opportunity to buy a good squad. And just like us he probably thought that whatever happened he would not be as bad as the previous managers. Easy job... Probably not. But if this is Bruce at 100% and commitment then he isn't half the manager I thought he was. And I did not rate him to start with. Yes mid late 50s, managers loose their drive the same as players do. I think the way he handled the McCormack issue, even exaggerating about the height of the fence has showed he's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Agree, to be honest you can understand getting SOME bad results as this team needs to gel further but the performances and results we have got to date? No chance this is something else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 If we did press the panic button (which I still hope does not happen) then I can see Sir Brian coming back til the end of the season and we review in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 If the decision is to sack bruce and install a caretaker until the summer, then I don't really see the point of sacking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: If the decision is to sack bruce and install a caretaker until the summer, then I don't really see the point of sacking him. Maybe a caretaker could keep us up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: If the decision is to sack bruce and install a caretaker until the summer, then I don't really see the point of sacking him. To halt the free fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, sne said: To halt the free fall? Would it halt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: If the decision is to sack bruce and install a caretaker until the summer, then I don't really see the point of sacking him. If it was Brian Little I wouldn't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Didn't even realize we played last night. Another loss, what the hell? 6 losses in 7 now, how does that even happen after the start he's made? Edited February 15, 2017 by Keyblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted February 15, 2017 Visiting Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 From what I've seen recently at the Villa, caretaker bosses have actually turned out worse than the manager's they've replaced. Not a good idea in my book and I wouldn't want Calderwood anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, PaulC said: If it was Brian Little I wouldn't mind. If we were in genuine danger of getting relegated, would Brian Little be the guy to save us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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