bickster Posted July 31 Moderator Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Locals won’t stand for the right wing mob? No we have a bit of a reputation for chasing fascists out of the city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, bickster said: No we have a bit of a reputation for chasing fascists out of the city Yeah you’ve mentioned a few times. Strange really as Liverpool and Everton were notorious for their racism . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 31 Moderator Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Yeah you’ve mentioned a few times. Strange really as Liverpool and Everton were notorious for their racism . Neither are these days, Liverpool fans are unbelievably left wing, anti-monarchist, anti-Tory, you name it. Everton used to be terrible for it for sure but these days not so much at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted July 31 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31 On 28/07/2024 at 22:05, tomav84 said: the comments are funny here. they're really pissed off about farage & tice's absences yesterday and they're looking for this lot to help tommy robinson going to be interesting to see which direction reform go. position themselves firmly on the far right but risk losing the centre right vote or continue to distance themselves but lose their 'core' fanbase Where is he there? He looks all set to give a make up tutorial on YouTube or something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Have the people of Clacton started to turn on him yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 There seems to be lots of right wing lead trouble in Sunderland this evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 3 VT Supporter Share Posted August 3 (edited) It seems plain to me that there are a lot of right wing agitators who are radicalising a lot of people in the same way as hate preachers. They should be prosecuted in the same way. Surely incitement to riot or attack people or property via Internet posts should be prosecutable? Edited August 3 by sidcow 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 3 Administrator Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, sidcow said: It seems plain to me that there are a lot of right wing agitators who are radicalising a lot of people in the same was as hate preachers. They should be prosecuted in the same way. Surely incitement to riot or attack people or property via Internet posts should be prosecutable? How do you prosecute Russian bots though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 3 Moderator Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, limpid said: How do you prosecute Russian bots though? It’s not just the Russian bots, there’s little that can be done about foreign actors The next level down is the professional agitators, Yaxley-Lennon, Grimes, Oakshot, Farage et al. Then below that there’s the David Atherton types, the well know keyboard warriors hiding their views behind politics. laws already exist to deal with these people. OFCOM needs to get tough with the Social Media companies, every organisation that has prosecutable powers needs to use them, extensively and to the fullest extent. Take those levels out and it becomes harder for them. And yes, it’s a big ask that isn’t without its dangers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, bickster said: It’s not just the Russian bots, there’s little that can be done about foreign actors The next level down is the professional agitators, Yaxley-Lennon, Grimes, Oakshot, Farage et al. Then below that there’s the David Atherton types, the well know keyboard warriors hiding their views behind politics. laws already exist to deal with these people. OFCOM needs to get tough with the Social Media companies, every organisation that has prosecutable powers needs to use them, extensively and to the fullest extent. Take those levels out and it becomes harder for them. And yes, it’s a big ask that isn’t without its dangers. What is happening now needs to be a waterhsed moment and a changing of the direction of travel. Fortunately we have just elected a government, and a Prime Minister in particular, who are no longer going to be willing to appease those on the far right or create/build on the environment where there is an opening for extremes to thrive. Hopefully they ensure, and I believe they will, that the powers that already exist are used, and are strengthened if need be. Just as importantly they need to improve public services, build more houses, ensure there are well paid jobs, create an environment where people have opportunity and hope for their future. That closes the door for the likes of Reform to convince people to blame Johnny Foreigner for their woes. The next handful of years are arguably the most important in this country for generations. Edited August 3 by markavfc40 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 3 VT Supporter Share Posted August 3 6 hours ago, markavfc40 said: What is happening now needs to be a waterhsed moment and a changing of the direction of travel. Fortunately we have just elected a government, and a Prime Minister in particular, who are no longer going to be willing to appease those on the far right or create/build on the environment where there is an opening for extremes to thrive. Hopefully they ensure, and I believe they will, that the powers that already exist are used, and are strengthened if need be. Just as importantly they need to improve public services, build more houses, ensure there are well paid jobs, create an environment where people have opportunity and hope for their future. That closes the door for the likes of Reform to convince people to blame Johnny Foreigner for their woes. The next handful of years are arguably the most important in this country for generations. Mate, they're all the same, haven't you heard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 He fled to another country seeking safety and sanctuary and then this happens. Ain't karma a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 On 03/08/2024 at 15:29, markavfc40 said: What is happening now needs to be a waterhsed moment and a changing of the direction of travel. Fortunately we have just elected a government, and a Prime Minister in particular, who are no longer going to be willing to appease those on the far right or create/build on the environment where there is an opening for extremes to thrive. Hopefully they ensure, and I believe they will, that the powers that already exist are used, and are strengthened if need be. Just as importantly they need to improve public services, build more houses, ensure there are well paid jobs, create an environment where people have opportunity and hope for their future. That closes the door for the likes of Reform to convince people to blame Johnny Foreigner for their woes. The next handful of years are arguably the most important in this country for generations. Mark, Well said, I couldn’t agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 4 Moderator Share Posted August 4 30 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: He fled to another country seeking safety and sanctuary and then this happens. Ain't karma a bitch. I’m sure Mike Stuchbery sees the amusing side of this more than most (thread) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Finally some sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 5 Moderator Share Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: 24 hours of when the talks of protests started. I mean do you seriously not believe robinson was not being surveillanced before hand? They would have known he would have tried to instigate something like this. If they didnt have him under surveillance then that is just poor planning from them His name is Yaxley-Lennon and he's an Irish citizen with an arrest warrant out for him for non-attendance at court. He is as we know now, in Cyprus, which has no extradition treaty with the UK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 1 minute ago, bickster said: His name is Yaxley-Lennon and he's an Irish citizen with an arrest warrant out for him for non-attendance at court. He is as we know now, in Cyprus, which has no extradition treaty with the UK He is going to have to come back at some point though or go somewhere else. They won't keep him there thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 5 Moderator Share Posted August 5 Just now, Demitri_C said: He is going to have to come back at some point though or go somewhere else. They won't keep him there thats for sure. Why? It's chock full of Russians who they don't kick out and he's an EU citizen so can't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 28 minutes ago, bickster said: Why? It's chock full of Russians who they don't kick out and he's an EU citizen so can't 'Restrictions on the right of entry and the right of residence: EU citizens or members of their family may be expelled from the host Member State on grounds of public policy, public security or public health' They can remove him on security reasons, if they deem him a threat to public security https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-persons#:~:text=Restrictions%20on%20the%20right%20of,public%20security%20or%20public%20health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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