bickster Posted July 11 Moderator Share Posted July 11 every action... Those Tory MPs considering defecting should absolutely realise they serve at the pleasure of Nigel Internal Democracy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 11 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11 26 minutes ago, bickster said: every action... Those Tory MPs considering defecting should absolutely realise they serve at the pleasure of Nigel Internal Democracy Quote The movement we have created does not belong to us, it belongs to the people. No. It belongs to one person. Farage. And Farage doesn't do democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted July 11 Popular Post Share Posted July 11 Nigel loves democracy. To steal a line from Pratchett, he believes in one man, one vote. He's the man, and he gets the vote. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted July 11 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11 7 hours ago, Davkaus said: Nigel loves democracy. To steal a line from Pratchett, he believes in one man, one vote. He's the man, and he gets the vote. Extra points for the PTerry reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 19 hours ago, bickster said: every action... Those Tory MPs considering defecting should absolutely realise they serve at the pleasure of Nigel Internal Democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: They are going to struggle with this fine line they’re trying to walk. Appealing to racist voters, but trying to appear diverse. I’m sure it’ll end how we all expect it to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 20 hours ago, bickster said: every action... Those Tory MPs considering defecting should absolutely realise they serve at the pleasure of Nigel Internal Democracy "So Mr Farage, what was it that first attracted you to millionaire Zia Yusuf?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 So are there any fundmenatal differences between Reform and what was the UKIP party in their pre referendum glory days? Is it even worth defining ideologies for these sort of one man parties? Will/does Reform appeal more to former Labour voters as well whereas the Ukippers was just the old tory vote? Is Farageism even a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Is there an ideological divide between populism and opportunism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: So are there any fundmenatal differences between Reform and what was the UKIP party in their pre referendum glory days? Is it even worth defining ideologies for these sort of one man parties? Will/does Reform appeal more to former Labour voters as well whereas the Ukippers was just the old tory vote? Is Farageism even a thing? It’s pretty much all the same. UKIP/Brexit/Reform apart from UKIP had a democratic structure and Farage realised that was a hinderance Appeals to the same set of low IQ individuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 Going so smoothly with the supporters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 9 minutes ago, bickster said: Going so smoothly with the supporters I particularly liked: "The majority demographic - indigenous white British people - aren't represented politically in the UK". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 23 hours ago, bickster said: every action... Those Tory MPs considering defecting should absolutely realise they serve at the pleasure of Nigel Internal Democracy chief whip of 5 seats? is there much point in giving that a title? he's just the whatsapp group chat admin... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, bickster said: It’s pretty much all the same. UKIP/Brexit/Reform apart from UKIP had a democratic structure and Farage realised that was a hinderance Appeals to the same set of low IQ individuals The data supports it too Yougov data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 12 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12 6 minutes ago, Genie said: The data supports it too Yougov data You can take Isaac Asimov's oft-quoted observation - "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" - substitute 'United States' for 'United Kingdom', and it still holds true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 So, the lower your IQ/ education level, the more likely you are to vote right wing. Who'd have thought it!!? It's interesting because at its inception, Labour would have been heavily reliant on a poorly educated working class vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 15 minutes ago, Jon said: So, the lower your IQ/ education level, the more likely you are to vote right wing. You can't necessarily draw that conclusion from this one datapoint, when the right wing parties are an absolute shower. You also can't necessarily consider education level and iq to be so strongly correlated But yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 11 minutes ago, Davkaus said: You can't necessarily draw that conclusion from this one datapoint, when the right wing parties are an absolute shower. You also can't necessarily consider education level and iq to be so strongly correlated But yes It’s not one data point, it’s just the latest. Some rely on educational level as the indicator, others use IQ. For example, in 2019, the same correlation from the same polling company has pretty similar results Same in 2017 and 2015 (though less so) There have also been peer reviewed academic studies that have reached the same conclusion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 12 Moderator Share Posted July 12 Oh Yaxley-Lennon isn’t very happy as well as the fake vicar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 It’s been said, two types of people vote tory, millionaires and suckers. To find out which you are, open your wallet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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