mjmooney Posted June 10 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10 17 minutes ago, Seat68 said: ‘You're old enough to kill but not for votin' And even the Avon river has got jobbies floatin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: starmer wants to put the age down to voters to 16 and 17. Not sure alot of that age would understand what they are voting for. Not sure thats a good idea. When i was 16 i would have probably voted who my pals did as i was still young and immature 52% of people had no idea what they were voting for in the recent past, but it didn’t stop them and they weren’t 16/17 Edited June 10 by bannedfromHandV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I be worried about under 18s wanting to vote.. 10% of 18-24 year olds want to vote reform we need to give our kids a chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cyrusr Posted June 10 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, CarryOnVilla said: I be worried about under 18s wanting to vote.. 10% of 18-24 year olds want to vote reform we need to give our kids a chat That is is the lowest percentage in all the age groups for reform though, so at least they are brighter than the rest of us. For what it’s worth, I don’t see there being a major issue. By 16 years old most people are making most of their choices for themselves and do all the stuff already mentioned so yeah, giving them the vote isn’t going to suddenly cause the end of civilisation (although might have just been enough to stop Brexit). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 11 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11 The dim16 years olds just wouldn't bother to vote, the brighter ones might. Whereas the dim older people DO tend to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: 52% of people had no idea what they were voting for in the recent past, but it didn’t stop them and they weren’t 16/17 And do you not think the percentage would have been higher if 16 and 17 year olds were giving the vote too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: The dim16 years olds just wouldn't bother to vote, the brighter ones might. Whereas the dim older people DO tend to vote. A good thing about giving the vote to 16-year-olds that isn't often spoken about is that it gets young people engaged in politics and gives an incentive to schools to actually give them some political education. Blows my mind that we learn so little about politics at school, particularly that we don't learn any critical thinking skills to see through the bullshit. Saying that, the more political education kids get, the less likely they are to vote Tory. So it makes perfect sense, actually. Edited June 11 by DaoDeMings 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said: A good thing about giving the vote to 16-year-olds that isn't often spoken about is that it gets young people engaged in politics and gives an incentive to schools to actually give them some political education. Blows my mind that we learn so little about politics at school, particularly that we don't learn any critical thinking skills to see through the bullshit. Saying that, the more political education kids get, the less likely they are to vote Tory. So it makes perfect sense, actually. Whilst I completely agree with this my first thought was that the thickos would be dead against “brainwashing” the children with political education in the same way they are about things like sex education and LGBTQ topics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 11 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11 16 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said: the more political education kids get, the less likely they are to vote Tory Depends who's doing the educating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 11 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Whilst I completely agree with this my first thought was that the thickos would be dead against “brainwashing” the children with political education in the same way they are about things like sex education and LGBTQ topics. Yep. Much as I'm against 'faith schools' brainwashing kids with religion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Depends who's doing the educating. Of course, but even just a lesson in critical thinking would go a long way. And a factual breakdown of how the political system works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, Genie said: Whilst I completely agree with this my first thought was that the thickos would be dead against “brainwashing” the children with political education in the same way they are about things like sex education and LGBTQ topics. Haha, they absolutely would but you have to just ignore them until a politics class in school is normalised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Yep. Much as I'm against 'faith schools' brainwashing kids with religion. Yes I agree it’s a fine line between 1) Making children aware of different faiths, religions and cultures that exist and 2) Pushing 1 particular faith or religion onto children as the most important one. The same can be said for politics. 1) should happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Yep. Much as I'm against 'faith schools' brainwashing kids with religion. Too right. I didn't even go to a faith school but we has "prayers"....**** off. The French have this so right. Schools should be secular places in all things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Too right. I didn't even go to a faith school but we has "prayers"....**** off. The French have this so right. Schools should be secular places in all things. Think prayers in normal schools is still a thing. I was born in 98 and we did prayers at a non-faith school. I know they still do them there. Christianity still has a fairly strong presence in our education I feel. History is taught in a very skewed way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said: Think prayers in normal schools is still a thing. I was born in 98 and we did prayers at a non-faith school. I know they still do them there. Christianity still has a fairly strong presence in our education I feel. History is taught in a very skewed way too. You can't teach modern history and please everyone. Especially when you're dealing with things like the British Empire etc. It's tricky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: You can't teach modern history and please everyone. Especially when you're dealing with things like the British Empire etc. It's tricky. I didn't say it was easy. But it can absolutely be better. We shouldn't give up on improving it just because it's difficult to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 11 Moderator Share Posted June 11 21 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said: Think prayers in normal schools is still a thing. I was born in 98 and we did prayers at a non-faith school. I know they still do them there. Christianity still has a fairly strong presence in our education I feel. History is taught in a very skewed way too. Its a legal requirement of the Education Reform Act 1988 that schools have DAILY Collective Worship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, bickster said: Its a legal requirement of the Education Reform Act 1988 that schools have DAILY Collective Worship Interesting. Aside from the word 'worship' I kind of like the idea. The 'prayers' I did weren't actually Christian prayers, more just vague 'thank the lord for my school dinner' type things. We did go to the local church though and have a priest come in every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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