mrjc Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, markavfc40 said: I am just going off what Wyness and Round have said publicly. Things are poor on the pitch at the moment and we are all on a bit of a downer but I just can't be having this getting the pitch folks and going after everyone at the club and saying they are shit and should be sacked. You put 5 more points on to our points total and I doubt this thread would even be on the first page. For now I am choosing to take those at the club above the manager at face value. They have been here for a relatively short time, inherited a total shambles and for now I am happy to give them a little slack in turning things around. Yeah that's fair. If I look back at most of the key decisions, they've seemed sound, or at least backed by some reason, at the time. Over a longer period they can be judged over whether or not they got the big decisions right, but for now I agree it's a little too soon to blame here - aside from the football, theirs is a huge job turning around an entire company. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: I am just going off what Wyness and Round have said publicly. Things are poor on the pitch at the moment and we are all on a bit of a downer but I just can't be having this getting the pitch folks and going after everyone at the club and saying they are shit and should be sacked. You put 5 more points on to our points total and I doubt this thread would even be on the first page. For now I am choosing to take those at the club above the manager at face value. They have been here for a relatively short time, inherited a total shambles and for now I am happy to give them a little slack whilst they try to turn things around. They were also given a carte blanche and for the Championship almost unlimited funds. And here we are in 18th place with no money and, a failing manager and another squad rebuild coming up next summer. They might be doing a great job in the non football department for all I know, but as football issues goes it's been a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sne said: And here we are in 18th place with no money and, a failing manager and another squad rebuild coming up next summer. They might be doing a great job in the non football department for all I know, but as football issues goes it's been a disaster. That is a snap shot of where we are now yes. You take that snap shot in 7 games time and it may well be very different. As I said 5 more points and this thread isn't even on the first page. FFP was always going to be tough to stay with in but it seems, from what the club have said, we have done that. I am perhaps not as doom and gloom as some. The club have balanced the books and put a good squad together, they are making positive changes off the pitch it seems. They have ambitious plans.Where we are failing is that the manager isn't getting the best out of the players. He either starts getting results now though or he will be relieved of his duties and someone else will be given a go. I am still relatively confident this season can be salvaged but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. Edited September 13, 2017 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: That is a snap shot of where we are now yes. You take that snap shot in 7 games time and it may well be very different. As I said 5 more points and this thread isn't even on the first page. FFP was always going to be tough to stay with in but it seems, from what the club have said, we have done that. I am perhaps not as doom and gloom as some. The club have balanced the books and put a good squad together, they are making positive changes off the pitch it seems. They have ambitious plans.Where we are failing is that the manager isn't getting the best out of the players. He either starts getting results now though or he will be relieved of his duties and someone else will be given a go. I am still relatively confident this season can be salvaged but that discussion is perhaps for another thread. I actually found your last two posts quite optimistically refreshing, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) After what we've been through over the years and what has happened at other Clubs I'm far happier people being very very sceptical than relaxed about our owner and the Club management. If they are doing XYZ behind the scenes then that will all come out in the wash over the next year or two, and no harm will have been done by people expressing doubts, however severe. Its fair to say that there's precious little actual evidence of anything going well !! But I think it's a step too far to be talking about sacking Wyness / Round etc as we really don't have enough ( if any) evidence of their actual performance , in all aspects of their roles, good or bad. Scrutinise, criticise, be sceptical, but I dont see a case for more than that at present. Edited September 13, 2017 by terrytini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 11 hours ago, terrytini said: After what we've been through over the years and what has happened at other Clubs I'm far happier people being very very sceptical than relaxed about our owner and the Club management. If they are doing XYZ behind the scenes then that will all come out in the wash over the next year or two, and no harm will have been done by people expressing doubts, however severe. Its fair to say that there's precious little actual evidence of anything going well !! But I think it's a step too far to be talking about sacking Wyness / Round etc as we really don't have enough ( if any) evidence of their actual performance , in all aspects of their roles, good or bad. Scrutinise, criticise, be sceptical, but I dont see a case for more than that at present. Im very sceptical of Round. Wyness to me is much better than those pair of tossers Tom Fox and Paul Faulkner. Perhaps a glimmer light is the u23's seem to be doing well - and some of youngsters that played v wigan llooked very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted September 15, 2017 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2017 This whole thread is just people guessing what other people's jobs are and slating them for what they think they do or don't do. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 15/09/2017 at 09:53, Stevo985 said: This whole thread is just people guessing what other people's jobs are and slating them for what they think they do or don't do. Doris the ballboy OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) My concern with Wyness and another reason I would want to much vaunted Dein. Is that he was out of the game for quite a while from 2009-2016 to be precise and the game changes year on year. Historically it has been to give the manager time etc but the modern game dictates that time now doesn't exist it's instant or not at all. 11 months is too long to wait to see an impact & improvement. I worry he hasn't changed enough with the times and will set us back with his old school thinking and methodology. He needs to act now not based on the hope Bruce miraculously turns this train wreck around given more time. Edited September 22, 2017 by thabucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eastie Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2017 Villa have tweeted and announced pukka pies as our pastry supplier - definitely looks like Keith would be pushing this deal 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jarpie Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 I agree with him completely, politics should be kept out of any sport completely, when I watch sport, I want to see sports, not anything political, even if I'd agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 On 24/09/2017 at 17:50, Villaphan04 said: Why would you want to take this out the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rodders Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 On 24/09/2017 at 17:50, Villaphan04 said: yes, don't use widely viewable great public platforms to raise any issues, please keep them quietly private through some form we can more easily ignore, hush up and pretend was never said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Tony Blair wanted a British league. David Cameron supports West Villa. Trump doesn't like black sportspeople who make a fair point. Politicians really should be kept well out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) He's got to go as I wouldn't trust him to appoint a replacement. We are well on the way to being truly **** if this continues under him. We have missed a big chance to rebuild with him overseeing us. Xia needs to wise up fast. Edited October 14, 2017 by thabucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 24/09/2017 at 17:50, Villaphan04 said: Please keep over the 60's off twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted October 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, thabucks said: Please keep over the 60's off twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I hate even seeing this guys thread. Not even sure why I despise him so much. He just reeks of sleezy salesman! Not sure if it's his Everton experience, the Villa engine comment, or just his face! But I really can't stand him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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