maqroll Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) It's made the front page of the Boston Herald...cue comment section idiocy... Edited June 12, 2016 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Total mayhem, really. These scenes are turning into something people will remember for a long time. Some of the Russian assaults were very cynical. The dudes in black definitely had a game plan, very sinister. **** those guys. Northern Ireland fans tangled up with locals in Nice as well, apparently. What's next... Edited June 12, 2016 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Strange choice of venue for these two to play. Trouble was inevitable surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: Strange choice of venue for these two to play. Trouble was inevitable surely I think this wouldn't have happened in Paris, but any other city there would have had a similar problem. The Russians came prepared for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Who is 'we'? How can you legislate for the minority of idiots causing trouble in bygone tournaments thereby making it okay for anyone from an entire nation to be attacked at will and it to simply be a case of 'oh, they're from England, they must have been causing a bit of trouble and they deserve it'. It's absolute bollox. Nah, you're wrong. We caused trouble in the 80s, so those looking to enjoy themselves and follow their team in 2016 obviously deserve it. It makes total sense. Because all England fans cause trouble, everywhere. Don't you beat up the locals when you go on holiday? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisvilla4 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Anyone who goes to a game/ tournament looking for trouble is not a fan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Putting it into a broader social context, I think the scenes in Marseilles reflect the tension around Europe right now, with Russia-Ukraine, terrorism, economic anxiety, Brexit, refugees...things are really **** up right now and tribal mob violence is the result. We better hope it's not war at some point in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure singing deliberately offensive chants, or being drunk and disorderly is really anything noteworthy. That's a misdemeanour at worst.The one unforgivable thing I've seen from England fans is a handful of idiots throwing things at police. Meanwhile there are groups of Russian thugs that have literally been preparing for this tournament in training camps, and said over the last few weeks and months that they're going to "obliterate" English fans. There's some videos of English fans fighting and throwing stuff. In a lot of them you'll see a bunch of normal looking fans, up against some Russians all wearing dark clothing with their faces covered. The videos obviously all begin part way through the trouble, but eye witnesses mostly describe ultras jumping any English fans they find, whether they were chanting, drunk, or not. The French police are abysmally out of their depth, they've lost control of the city. We'll see what happens over the next few days when fans go their separate ways. I doubt it'll be the English fans continuing to be involved in these fights. Edited June 12, 2016 by Davkaus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenko#4 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, Davkaus said: We'll see what happens over the next few days when fans go their separate ways. I doubt it'll be the English fans continuing to be involved in these fights. Russia are playing Slovakia in Lille on Wednesday, England v Wales in Lens on Thursday. Lille and Lens are 20 minutes apart and Lens is a small town, so guess where the French have recommended that England and Wales fans stay?? Yep......Lille!! So the fans won't be going their separate ways for a few days yet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Going to be interesting in Russia in two years. All the Russian chavs who couldn't afford to make it to France will be welcoming rival fans to their home towns. Mind you the Russian police don't mess about and have been dealing with this stuff in the Russian league for years. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just watching AJ news and one clip is local youths battling Russian fans in the streets. How much are the locals the agent provocateurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 We seem to be the only country to bother banning our hooligan element from traveling to games abroad. When I was scouring the UEFA ticket portal trying to get tickets for games we are the only nation that you have to be a registered member of our FA in order to buy England tickets, everyone else you just have to have a passport from that nation Then you add to that like you say we confiscate every passport of people that are banned, we ban them from travelling to France, we then also send over a load of our own police to try and identify known trouble makers We do more than anyone else to try and stop it It's failing obviously, I think we still have fans that are of that mentality that will stand up to it rather than trying to avoid it and unfortunately when they get poked they go **** nuts and there's a lot of people out there willing to poke them, there's also thousands and thousands of English fans nowhere near this Get us out of Marseille, away from the locals, away from the Russians, away from the shit police...but then it's **** Wales in northern France with >100k fans travelling... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Butterfingers Posted June 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2016 12 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I'm sure they are totally blameless for that. An utterly reprehensible comment. You have no idea who these two people are. Watching a lot of this footage is not comfortable reading. It shows many incidents where Russians are indiscriminately attacking any English in sight and it all appears to be premeditated. In several clips, the Russians are all dressed in black. I wouldn't have gone out there if you'd have chained me. I have a friend going out to Lille next week and he now wishes that he wasn't. England have caused major problems over the years but a great deal of time, money and effort has gone into getting rid of our troublemakers. Thousands of known troublemakers have to report to police stations up and down the country whenever England are playing abroad. The "English disease" is a thing of the past, blown up for some reason at every tournament because it sells papers. The overwhelming majority of English out there have gone for a party. Eastern Europeans on the other hand crave conflict and violence. It looks like they got it-At the expense of many innocent English over the past couple of days. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 10 hours ago, krisagg75 said: some of the most loyal/passionate villa fans i have known have been our hooligan element.the "they're not football fans is bull crap". through my brother having worked with some of them i know some of c-crew.to say we don't have ourselves to blame is to be unaware of our history.you can go back to the early 70's with arsenal/pool/derby and leeds fans to know where the problem stems.myself i have been to every final(euro and world),from 86-2000.in my time i've seen people of all ages sing 2 world wars and 1 world cup to germans.we do have ourselves to blame.in the 1990 world cup i was attacked at the semi-final by italian fans looking for english as that was a badge of honour for them.i'm a devout coward who has run from any trouble.i remember coming into rotterdam railway station in 2000 and seeing the fear on peoples faces hearing england fans singing. if you go to the european hotspots this summer then who will be the worst behaved there,us.we do have a history and dr p is right to say we have brought it on ourselves. Never said they are not football fans. They are morons though. My point was that someone like myself (who has no intention of hitting other people because of the colour of their football top or where they are from etc) and others of similar ilk do not deserve to get hit, bottled, abused or whatever just because of the actions of other people. You cannot dispute that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Hadn't seen this video of what was going on inside the stadium. It's absolutely unbelievable that after 3 days of violence, the French authorities thought a bit of rope and a dozen stewards were going to keep the peace with Russian and English fans a few feet from each other. The police were absolutely nowhere in sight, even when fighting in the stadium had been going on for minutes. They aren't prepared to safely host a tournament. It doesn't absolve the violent fans of any blame, not at all, but when you have a huge international tournament, you have to be able to diffuse situations like this quickly, not having a police presence in the stadium is negligent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coda Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Hadn't seen this video of what was going on inside the stadium. It's absolutely unbelievable that after 3 days of violence, the French authorities thought a bit of rope and a dozen stewards were going to keep the peace with Russian and English fans a few feet from each other. The police were absolutely nowhere in sight, even when fighting in the stadium had been going on for minutes. They aren't prepared to safely host a tournament. It doesn't absolve the violent fans of any blame, not at all, but when you have a huge international tournament, you have to be able to diffuse situations like this quickly, not having a police presence in the stadium is negligent. It's a shocking oversight. I never watch Ligue1 so I don't know if they ever have problems with away fans. I remember someone posted a photo on here of PSG's away contingent which consisted of three fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 I feel for the regular fans, maybe taking their children along to see England potentially getting caught up in the violence in the stadium. On the streets then I think it's easier to stay out of the way. The inside of the ground SHOULD be safe. Lots of questions to be answered from lots of people in the first few days of this tournament. Where are the British police? I've not seen any sign of them yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 35 minutes ago, Genie said: I feel for the regular fans, maybe taking their children along to see England potentially getting caught up in the violence in the stadium. On the streets then I think it's easier to stay out of the way. The inside of the ground SHOULD be safe. Lots of questions to be answered from lots of people in the first few days of this tournament. Where are the British police? I've not seen any sign of them yet. Britain? I'm not sure it should be the responsibility of the British police to work abroad. Especially when they are woefully understaffed in their own country The French Police's poor handling this makes me worry about how easy it would be for a major terrorist incident to happen. It'll be interesting to see if there is any trouble between Russian and Welsh fans. If there is then we know its the Russians who are the instigators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 There will be British Officers working at the Euros acting in an intelligence/spotting capacity but it is likely only to be a handful of them working alongside their european counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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