Villa Park redevelopment

[fightoffyour]

13 hours ago, MrBlack said:

They're hiding something...They're moving us to a new city. It's the Springfield Isotopes all over again.

[blunther]

12 hours ago, ender4 said:

Nah, if that was the case why have they reshuffled the board and added 3 people - 2 of who are very influential in major development projects and one who is part of a company that specialises in funding major development projects. 

I hope I'm wrong - I wonder if the Atarios partial buy in is a step to a full takeover that's been arranged behind the scenes or something. Heck very much strikes me as a short term appointment - get the revenue up whatever it takes to increase the value of the club and get a big fat bonus linked to the revenue somehow, then **** off after two years.

[villaglint]

17 minutes ago, blunther said:

I hope I'm wrong - I wonder if the Atarios partial buy in is a step to a full takeover that's been arranged behind the scenes or something. Heck very much strikes me as a short term appointment - get the revenue up whatever it takes to increase the value of the club and get a big fat bonus linked to the revenue somehow, then **** off after two years.

Agreed on Heck but not sure Sawiris would be bothering to go to watch us play Wycombe on a Tues night if it was just about the money and he’d done a deal to flog us. 

[DaveAV1]

1 hour ago, blunther said:

I hope I'm wrong - I wonder if the Atarios partial buy in is a step to a full takeover that's been arranged behind the scenes or something. Heck very much strikes me as a short term appointment - get the revenue up whatever it takes to increase the value of the club and get a big fat bonus linked to the revenue somehow, then **** off after two years.

When NSWE bought us they were already very rich men and since buying us they are even richer. The decision to buy us was never to make money but purely for the fun, similar to Xia  and Randy but with proper money of their own. They don’t need the money but enjoy the interest of ownership and being able to build the club up to where it belongs by using their money and business acumen/ contacts. They’re here to be successful otherwise how else would they spend their money? They already have cars and houses piled up so this is the next challenge. UTV!!

[Czarnikjak]

2 hours ago, blunther said:

I hope I'm wrong - I wonder if the Atarios partial buy in is a step to a full takeover that's been arranged behind the scenes or something. Heck very much strikes me as a short term appointment - get the revenue up whatever it takes to increase the value of the club and get a big fat bonus linked to the revenue somehow, then **** off after two years.

It's possible but not very likely imo.

It looks more like NSWE didn't want to keep putting more of their own money into the club and wanted someone to share the burden. Since Aitaros are on board, all cash injections came from them in exchange for equity. NSWE didn't put in anymore cash.

Edited Thursday at 10:39 by Czarnikjak

[villa89]

2 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

Since Aitaros are on board, all cash injections came from them in exchange for equity.

Yes but the question is why Atarios came on board, why are they investing a lot of money into a football club in Birmingham? Were they invited by NSWE for a specific reason? 

[Alakagom]

If you think NSWE is ready to cash in and sell-out, I advise you to watch Nassef's reactions when watching our game vs Young Boys.  Wes dipping out is totally feasible at some point however. 

[nick76]

30 minutes ago, villa89 said:

Yes but the question is why Atarios came on board, why are they investing a lot of money into a football club in Birmingham? Were they invited by NSWE for a specific reason? 

It could just be purely an investment because if Villa keep performing and regularly in the CL then they could easily make a big profit on that investment in 5 years time with the valuation of the club then compared to now.  

We are just assuming their interest is more than investment return.  

Obviously their knowledge and input at board level will be invaluable but doesn’t necessarily mean we will utilise other parts of their business.

I’ve worked at a number of companies where new board members come in and chatter among employees of what that means in relation to those board members other companies but in the end there was no crossover.  

Of course they could be in for crossover because why wouldn’t you use it and why would they have all people come in but we just don’t know.

[Pongo Waring]

54 minutes ago, Alakagom said:

If you think NSWE is ready to cash in and sell-out, I advise you to watch Nassef's reactions when watching our game vs Young Boys.  Wes dipping out is totally feasible at some point however. 

Basing this on what?

[Alakagom]

12 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said:

Basing this on what?

Just seems less involved nowadays?  Thinking back to preseason it was just Nassef meeting with Emery and Monchi on the holidays. Of course Nassef being mostly based in Europe makes that a heck lot easier, but yea don't see much of Edens in relation to the club. Not saying that is gonna happen at all, just wouldn't shock me if Edens sold his stake to Nassef and Atairos either at some point. My point was more or less Nassef seems like he's here to stay for a looong time, he loves Villa!

Edited Thursday at 12:07 by Alakagom

[sharkyvilla]

4 hours ago, nick76 said:

It could just be purely an investment because if Villa keep performing and regularly in the CL then they could easily make a big profit on that investment in 5 years time with the valuation of the club then compared to now.  

We are just assuming their interest is more than investment return.  

Obviously their knowledge and input at board level will be invaluable but doesn’t necessarily mean we will utilise other parts of their business.

I’ve worked at a number of companies where new board members come in and chatter among employees of what that means in relation to those board members other companies but in the end there was no crossover.  

Of course they could be in for crossover because why wouldn’t you use it and why would they have all people come in but we just don’t know.

Could it be them that funded all the new infrastructure with the hospitality and LEDs etc?  It must have been in the tens of millions spent so far and all got done in a pretty short amount of time.

[rodders0223]

5 hours ago, DaveAV1 said:

When NSWE bought us they were already very rich men and since buying us they are even richer. The decision to buy us was never to make money but purely for the fun, similar to Xia  and Randy but with proper money of their own. They don’t need the money but enjoy the interest of ownership and being able to build the club up to where it belongs by using their money and business acumen/ contacts. They’re here to be successful otherwise how else would they spend their money? They already have cars and houses piled up so this is the next challenge. UTV!!

When did having money stop rich men wanting more money?

 

I think at this point you can say they are looking to make this club as valuable as possible. I'm not saying they are going to flip it but let's be honest, rich people just love money and it wouldn't surprise me.

At the end of the day they'll be making a killing and or have an incredible asset.

[limpid]

Stop talking about the board in this thread.

[Stevo985]

People still pretending we're going to build a new stadium then?

You guys need tin foil hats

[Mic09]

1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

People still pretending we're going to build a new stadium then?

You guys need tin foil hats

I get your dislike for the discussion, but the new stadium will happen eventually. It might be 30/40/50 years down the line. It might be 10 years. Who knows.

There are no suggestions of it happening at the moment.

But it's entirely reasonable to discuss pros/cons of it; me and my mrs often discuss having a better house, it's not happening anytime soon. We make no plans of doing it.

But since it's a forum, and we express our opinions/hopes on what will happen, I think doing it without a tinfoil hat is entirely reasonable. 

 

[Stevo985]

49 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

I get your dislike for the discussion, but the new stadium will happen eventually. It might be 30/40/50 years down the line. It might be 10 years. Who knows.

There are no suggestions of it happening at the moment.

But it's entirely reasonable to discuss pros/cons of it; me and my mrs often discuss having a better house, it's not happening anytime soon. We make no plans of doing it.

But since it's a forum, and we express our opinions/hopes on what will happen, I think doing it without a tinfoil hat is entirely reasonable. 

 

I'm fine with the discussion, as a hypothetical

But the club have, on multiple occasions, officially stated that there are no plans to leave Villa Park.

Yet people are STILL saying it sounds like we're planning to move

 

We're not. it's not happening

[Mic09]

1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm fine with the discussion, as a hypothetical

But the club have, on multiple occasions, officially stated that there are no plans to leave Villa Park.

Yet people are STILL saying it sounds like we're planning to move

 

We're not. it's not happening

that we know of. 

[blunther]

28 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I'm fine with the discussion, as a hypothetical

But the club have, on multiple occasions, officially stated that there are no plans to leave Villa Park.

Yet people are STILL saying it sounds like we're planning to move

 

We're not. it's not happening

I think people might not believe everything out of the club considering Heck has lied to us on multiple occasions, and we still have a page up outlining the new North Stand. We'll all believe things when they happen I guess.

Edited 16 hours ago by blunther

[Stevo985]

26 minutes ago, blunther said:

I think people might not believe everything out of the club considering Heck has lied to us on multiple occasions, and we still have a page up outlining the new North Stand. We'll all believe things when they happen I guess.

Which is fine.

But this isn't off the cuff comments by Heck. These are official statements by the club (and comments from Heck) that there are categorically no plans to leave Villa Park

 

To assume plans to build a new ground actually are afoot, just because you don't believe everything the club says, is a hell of a leap.

 

There is absolutely zero evidence that we are going to build a new stadium. And absolutely stacks of evidence that we are not going to do that.

[meregreen]

I think ultimately we will do something. We can’t simply ignore the potentially 20000 extra fans we could accommodate if we had the room. What that will be, I have no idea.