gharperr Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Admittedly i didnt vote so i havent followed it too closely...(and i dont follow politics too much) But the biggest worry out of all this for me is the apparent growing numbers (maybe theyre just being more vocal) of the public and people in government who want to dismiss experts opinion because theyre experts (or hold opinion as equal weight). And its not the first time either really, of the top of my head, wanting to ban encryption, drug policy/laws and now this. Governments should be pushing to use expert opinions in everything not dismissing them and pushing public to dismiss them. And to say theyve got stuff wrong in the past so we shouldnt listen to them is pretty lol. (sample size) Theyre still going to be the best predictors of future events without a doubt. Its basically the same as saying bookies are worthless because an underdog beat favourites in one game. Theyre still going to be the best predictors of future results. Edited June 23, 2016 by gharperr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 20 June 2016 at 16:38, Xela said: Sounds like your boss doesn't want you to vote! I showed her. Missed my flight this morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2016 Have Tom Watson and Phil Jupitus ever been seen in the same room? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Have Tom Watson and Phil Jupitus ever been seen in the same room? I saw neither hide nor hair of Phil Jupitus during the last round of the 2009 Open championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Have Tom Watson and Phil Jupitus ever been seen in the same room? They're always in the same room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 80% turn out being predicted ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 80% is a massive improvement, but it's still lower than I'd like for one of the most important decisions we'll make for generations, as an electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Have Tom Watson and Phil Jupitus ever been seen in the same room? For Tom's sake, I hope not. Phil Jupitus is one for the 'One Man, One Punch' thread we had on here briefly. Edited June 23, 2016 by sharkyvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 23, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2016 Phil Jupitus's Quadrophobia is one of my favorite every stand up sets... >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: So Farage has admitted defeat already which is surprising. He's changed his mind now. No doubt at some point tomorrow he will resign and then an hour later unresign. There are few things in life less attractive than a flaky prick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: 80% is a massive improvement, but it's still lower than I'd like for one of the most important decisions we'll make for generations, as an electorate. I believe and have always believed that 100% of the people exercise their democratic right 100% of the time. If 20% of the people either don't care to exercise there right to vote, for whatever reason, that is also their democratic right. I think given the almost farcical nature of the campaign, from both sides, that turn out is astonishing. I'm pleased it looks like we will remain. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 So who is pulling an all nighter for the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, dont_do_it_doug. said: I believe and have always believed that 100% of the people exercise their democratic right 100% of the time. If 20% of the people either don't care to exercise there right to vote, for whatever reason, that is also their democratic right. I think given the almost farcical nature of the campaign, from both sides, that turn out is astonishing. I'm pleased it looks like we will remain. I always get annoyed by the "don't vote, can't complain" statements. I'very spoiled my paper quite a few times, so technically not voted. Doesn't mean I'm apathetic or lazy, it means I expect better from all sides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I'm usually up to around 1 every night anyway so will keep it on in the background as I do other things and then call it a day then .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 To be fair given the ridiculous campaigning by both sides and the number of people who still fall in to the not sure column 80% turnout is pretty good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Danwichmann said: I always get annoyed by the "don't vote, can't complain" statements. I'very spoiled my paper quite a few times, so technically not voted. Doesn't mean I'm apathetic or lazy, it means I expect better from all sides. But what does that actually give you ? seems kind of a lot of effort to go to for zero gain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 5 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I believe and have always believed that 100% of the people exercise their democratic right 100% of the time. If 20% of the people either don't care to exercise there right to vote, for whatever reason, that is also their democratic right. I think given the almost farcical nature of the campaign, from both sides, that turn out is astonishing. I'm pleased it looks like we will remain. I certainly voted in spite of the campaigns, they almost drove me to spoil my ballot (I'd prefer to register my dissatisfaction than ignore it) but the closeness of the polls forced me to vote remain as I felt I couldn't risk it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just now, tonyh29 said: I'm usually up to around 1 every night anyway so will keep it on in the background as I do other things and then call it a day then .... yep, lining up my response e-mails to questions raised on a couple of jobs in the office keep them as draft, send them out 7:30am so people can't see quite how sad I am it's quieter now, space to think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: But what does that actually give you ? seems kind of a lot of effort to go to for zero gain The polling station is a 30 second walk and even today no queue, so not too much effort. If that wasn't the case then I'm not sure I'd always bother (add in the safe seat factor). Does really give anything, and certainly doesn't achieve anything. Just gives me the knowledge that I have participated in some sense, and I can confidently say my lack of a vote is not apathy or laziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: yep, lining up my response e-mails to questions raised on a couple of jobs in the office keep them as draft, send them out 7:30am so people can't see quite how sad I am it's quieter now, space to think In other words you're watching porn as well then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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