darrenm Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 It's fine though. Break ourselves in the short term for it all to work out in 50 years. It'll definitely be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 It goes before Parliament for a vote. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 3, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, Xann said: It goes before Parliament for a vote. So it should do. Shows Theresa May up for what she is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Xann said: It goes before Parliament for a vote. Is this real news? I was under the assumption it had to do that anyway? Surely Parliament won't vote "no" after the public stated they wanted to leave? (I hope they do vote no though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Is this real news? Make your own mind up. BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Surely one of the biggest watersheds in British political history, if parliament decide to defy the will of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Is this real news? I was under the assumption it had to do that anyway? Surely Parliament won't vote "no" after the public stated they wanted to leave? (I hope they do vote no though!) I can't see them blocking it entirely, but I can see them pushing back until the government appears to have some sort of plan that stands up to scrutinity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Surely one of the biggest watersheds in British political history, if parliament decide to defy the will of the electorate. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Can't wait for the Express and Mail to shat blood tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted November 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I can't see them blocking it entirely, but I can see them pushing back until the government appears to have some sort of plan that stands up to scrutinity That's probably the best possible outcome really (other than voting no which is unlikely imo). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) the referendum question only asked re leaving the union, it didn't state how. MP's who vote against Article 50 would get hammered at the General Election or subject to recalls. As was mentioned somewhere by someone ( excellent memory, me ) the british people didn't vote to be poorer and less well off ( well, technically they did, fnar fnar ). Timetable may get delayed, but we will leave the union. Edited November 3, 2016 by Rodders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Parliament now have to vote to both trigger Article 50 and approve the post-Brexit deal. Here's one scenario: "I was pro-Brexit, I voted to trigger Article 50, but this deal is awful. I think we're better in than out." That approach just became much more politically palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If Theresa May is unhappy with this decision, she could appeal it to the European Court. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 3, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Surely one of the biggest watersheds in British political history, if parliament decide to defy the will of the electorate. I don't think they will or that they should. But what they ought to do is make sure that the people doing the actual "leaving" stuff with the EU do a proper job. The referendum qustion was "remain or Leave" and Leave was the result. That's fine. And while "Brexit means Brexit" is not a bad sound bite, it's not a policy, it's not detail. Parliament needs to be able to hold May, Fox, Boris and Davies to account for their plans and actions. They can't be and shouldn't be just trusted to do "what's right". We already know that at least 2 of them have a record of doing wrong. One of them is an utter F-wit, all of the are duplicitous and ambitious for themselves over all else. That's a terrible recipe for the people to lead the task of determining our future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 As a brief aside on boris being a ****, I was delighted to read about a comment that he made last night; that we will make a "Titanic success of Brexit". We're in safe hands, folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Good decision. Brexit means Brexit sounds good to Larry from Stockport but there clearly isn't a plan in place. I'm glad we aren't stupid enough to pander to those who are screaming to invoke article 50 tomorrow. Edited November 3, 2016 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 This is just going to draw the whole process out for even longer and create more uncertainty during that time. We should just let them get on with it, then let it settle, then the parties can run on a manifesto at the next General Election depending on how successful it's been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Fox has announced that they'll appeal, it's expected to be heard on December 7th. If they have a sound plan in place, there is no chance of parliament blocking the implementation of a referendum result. I'm somewhat concerned that they're appealing to avoid parliamentary oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 3, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 29/10/2016 at 14:34, limpid said: VillaTalk is costing around 25% more to host than six months ago. I pay in USD so it's just mainly exchange rate, not scamming megacorps. Advertising revenue has increased by about 0%. Ban the foreigners I say... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 3, 2016 Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2016 43 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I can't see them blocking it entirely, but I can see them pushing back until the government appears to have some sort of plan that stands up to scrutinity Isn't that kind of the same thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 12 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: This is just going to draw the whole process out for even longer and create more uncertainty during that time. We should just let them get on with it, then let it settle, then the parties can run on a manifesto at the next General Election depending on how successful it's been. You understand it's not an easily reversible process, right? "Let's just have a crack and see what happens" is a pretty reckless approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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