The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[lapal_fan]

10 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

I see what you mean but this has happened primarily out of your hands apart for your 1 vote.  You are rightly fed up becasue a decision has gone against you and for the short term you expect to be out of pocket.,  The flip of this is that I suspect millions and millions of Leave voters have had this happen to them for generations,  hence the protest Leave vote [1].  There was always going to be a protest vote at some point especially after the banking crisis [2].  A crisis which probably affected the Remain voters a lot less than the Leave voters.  You cannot base a Remain campaign on the economy,  this only works if people feel they get anything out of it.  The remains do and thus voted accordingly.

Maybe there are Leave voters sitting impatiently as yourself waiting for the Leave to affect peoples happiness so they feel the need to moan but the richer you are the more you will lose and that is a part of it all I think.

If a single mother of 2 on benefits is told "Vote leave and you will be 5% of Y on Y worse off"  so what. The difference between a big or small chicken for dinner once a week,  if you got loads of shares or money sitting in a bank then I can see why they would be unhappy by it all also. [3]

 

[1] - We've only been in the EU for 40 years, that's 1 generation.  1 Generation where we've got (had) a much stronger economy, people are much better educated, crime levels are down, standard of living (for the majority of people who don't down tools and live on benefits street - although.. maybe) is way up, the houses you bought for 12p are now worth £120,000 because of the marvelous capitalist US of the 80s.. but hang on.. what has being in the EU ever done for that one generation?

[2] - a banking crisis which spread throughout the world, and in this country in particular, was a result of poor spending by the elected government.  Although you'll get no argument from me that the EU have treated Greece, Spain & Italy poorly.

[3] - The elites will always feel a bigger sway, whichever way that goes, up or down.  But they'll still have much more than the have-nots.  They just won't be able to afford that extra Merc this year.

[snowychap]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

the Prime Minister (still Cameron, till he actually FRO in September?)

Timetable seems to suggest as soon as Thursday - maybe sooner if Lizzie decides not to go to Cambridge tomorrow.

Edited July 11, 2016 by snowychap

[tonyh29]

Weds it is then  ....

9:01 become PM

9:02  ring the EU and tell them to jog on

9:03 push the big red button that activates every web cam and mobile device as a snooping device

[PaulC]

Good news thats it been sorted so quickly. Now Theresa May can organise a brexit plan

[Dr_Pangloss]

2 hours ago, omariqy said:

Good time to invest in gold denominated in USD methinks.

I hope we have a general election now.

I bought some gold 4 months ago

[omariqy]

Just now, Dr_Pangloss said:

I bought some gold 4 months ago

Good work.

[Davkaus]

47 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Weds it is then  ....

9:01 become PM

9:02  ring the EU and tell them to jog on

9:03 push the big red button that activates every web cam and mobile device as a snooping device

9:10, print off the list of porn that people are watching, filtered by most popular, then nip in to number 10's toilet with her laptop.

[snowychap]

Blimey, the debate after the referendum is worse than the crap that we had before it.

We have not left the EU. We are still in the EU. We are still having arguments between cabinet ministers about when we're even going to begin talks with the EU about leaving the EU let alone what the UK government is going to press for on behalf of the whole of the UK when it begins those discussions.

To make judgements on the basis of volatile PMIs, retail sales figures, GDP forecasts from the OECD and more and then use them to debate the 'effects' of Brexit is utter wank.

[blandy]

8 hours ago, snowychap said:

To make judgements on the basis of volatile PMIs, retail sales figures, GDP forecasts from the OECD and more and then use them to debate the 'effects' of Brexit is utter wank.

To be fair, they do indicate that nothing's happened yet, which I find to be most revealing as otherwise I'd never have known.

[Wainy316]

Do you think there's any chance that we can just sweep this whole sorry mess under the carpet?

[darrenm]

I think there's every chance of that.

Nobody even knows how to start.

[BOF]

3 hours ago, Wainy316 said:

Do you think there's any chance that we can just sweep this whole sorry mess under the carpet?

 

10 minutes ago, darrenm said:

I think there's every chance of that.

Nobody even knows how to start.

If the UK government could, then I think they would.  The problem is AFAIA they need every EU member to agree to lift up the carpet and aren't there some fairly powerful EU members who want to make an example of them?

UK : "Sorry, we were only kidding"

EU : "Do **** off".

[darrenm]

12 minutes ago, BOF said:

 

If the UK government could, then I think they would.  The problem is AFAIA they need every EU member to agree to lift up the carpet and aren't there some fairly powerful EU members who want to make an example of them?

UK : "Sorry, we were only kidding"

EU : "Do **** off".

I don't think they can tell the UK to **** off. Until we invoke article 50, we're still in the EU. There's nothing they can do to another member state.

I'd imagine that if the whatever resembles a government at the time said "actually, we've thought it over, it was only ever advisory and it's not going to wash. kthnxbye", then there would be a huge sigh of relief from the EU because they _had_ made an example of us, we proved it's better to be in than out to other dissenters, and they'd won.

[BOF]

3 minutes ago, darrenm said:

I don't think they can tell the UK to **** off. Until we invoke article 50, we're still in the EU. There's nothing they can do to another member state.

I'd imagine that if the whatever resembles a government at the time said "actually, we've thought it over, it was only ever advisory and it's not going to wash. kthnxbye", then there would be a huge sigh of relief from the EU because they _had_ made an example of us, we proved it's better to be in than out to other dissenters, and they'd won.

And we get another example of modern democracy, where the result only counts if those in power wanted that result in the first place.

[darrenm]

Yup! totally. Whether I think it would have thankfully gotten around all of that ridiculous crap and arrived at the right decision in the end or not, it would still be against the vote.

How valid that vote was is another point of contention too but let's not go back there

[tonyh29]

keep clutching at those straws boys

We are out , we aren't like the Irish who vote No and then yes a wee while later

 

 

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, BOF said:

And we get another example of modern democracy, where the result only counts if those in power wanted that result in the first place.

Have you never had an experience in life where you decided to do something stupid, then thought better of it and felt glad you didn't do it? 

I get that feeling all the time. 

Sadly it isn't going to happen, and we're going to leave. Tony is right, there's absolutely no chance it won't happen now. 

[Xann]

Varoufakis spoke on Channel 4 News yesterday. There's a snippet on the C4N FB page.

Clicky

He's spot on.

 

 

[BOF]

2 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

keep clutching at those straws boys

We are out , we aren't like the Irish who vote No and then yes a wee while later

Yep, and wasn't there some election a few years back in Southern Europe where a right-winger got in, and the EU said 'we don't like that, he can't win' so the result didn't stand.  It's all hilarious.  We're all still fascinated as to what will actually happen in the UK.

[chrisp65]

11 minutes ago, BOF said:

 We're all still fascinated as to what will actually happen in the UK.

We're gonna take back control, get rid of all the foreigners and spend an extra £350 million a week on the NHS.

There's no mystery, it was all in the sales brochure.