Hobsons Choice Posted June 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, sidcow said: Just curious as to why. What's now better? What were your hopes and dreams for Brexit and which are you enjoying following it? Sorry, no I meant I've not changed my mind that it was a terrible, horrible idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, HKP90 said: Sorry, no I meant I've not changed my mind that it was a terrible, horrible idea. Ah OK. Sorry. I thought you were saying that you were still firmly out. At this stage literally nothing on earth would surprise me more than someone who was previously remain now thinking brexit was a great idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Ah OK. Sorry. I thought you were saying that you were still firmly out. At this stage literally nothing on earth would surprise me more than someone who was previously remain now thinking brexit was a great idea There are plenty of MPs in both main parties who are taking that very odd position. In most cases you know that it isn't their real position but then you have the likes of Liz Truss who has gone so far full on Brexit throbber you have to believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted June 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: Ah OK. Sorry. I thought you were saying that you were still firmly out. At this stage literally nothing on earth would surprise me more than someone who was previously remain now thinking brexit was a great idea Oh god, you thought I was pro-brexit! I've literally never been more embarrassed. I need to burn my monitor. And then dispose of it in accordance with WEEE regulat...nah, just kidding, I'll just lob it out of my window onto a passing child, as Farage would have wanted. Phew, thanks Brexit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, bickster said: There are plenty of MPs in both main parties who are taking that very odd position. In most cases you know that it isn't their real position but then you have the likes of Liz Truss who has gone so far full on Brexit throbber you have to believe it I think most I've seen are in the "I was in but now we are out we just need to make the best of it" camp rather than "I was in but now we're out I think it's brilliant" camp. I do think the mood has started though on the "what has Brexit done for us" question. They can make up excuses but the problem is running a campaign on snappy slogans with no details needs to deliver snappy results with no detail about why it's not working. Can't have it both ways. I think the watershed has been reached where re-join voices will start to be heard soon and they will probably get stronger with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, sidcow said: I think most I've seen are in the "I was in but now we are out we just need to make the best of it" camp rather than "I was in but now we're out I think it's brilliant" camp. I do think the mood has started though on the "what has Brexit done for us" question. They can make up excuses but the problem is running a campaign on snappy slogans with no details needs to deliver snappy results with no detail about why it's not working. Can't have it both ways. I think the watershed has been reached where re-join voices will start to be heard soon and they will probably get stronger with time. This is the current state of the polling Pollster Fieldwork Dates Question Type In EU Out EU Omnisis 25-26.5.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 59 41 BMG 30-31.5.23 Join/Stay Out 57 43 Omnisis 1-2.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 61 39 Omnisis 8-9.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 59 41 Omnisis 15-16.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 60 40 Deltapoll 19-22.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 56 44 Poll of Polls - - 59 41 WhatUKThinks.org It isn't even remotely close any more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: This is the current state of the polling Pollster Fieldwork Dates Question Type In EU Out EU Poll of Polls - - 59 41 Omnisis 25-26.5.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 59 41 BMG 30-31.5.23 Join/Stay Out 57 43 Omnisis 1-2.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 61 39 Omnisis 8-9.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 59 41 Omnisis 15-16.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 60 40 Deltapoll 19-22.6.23 Rejoin/Stay Out 56 44 WhatUKThinks.org It isn't even remotely close any more Hmmm. Election after the next one. A party stands on re-joining the EU as a policy? Those figures are only going to slide further towards re-join. If it gets to 70/30 it would be seen as a real vote winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: Hmmm. Election after the next one. A party stands on re-joining the EU as a policy? Those figures are only going to slide further towards re-join. If it gets to 70/30 it would be seen as a real vote winner. I reckon that there are too many unknowns to be able to predict when a party will go into an election proposing that, and I'd surprised if it's as soon as the one after next - but I'm pretty confident that it'll be a massive part of the next Labour leadership race with Burnham, Khan, Streeting and Rayner all trying to out-Europhile each other given how popular it would be with Labour members. Whether that's happening in the context of Starmer triumphantly standing down in the middle of his third term, or after an embarassing defeat in 2029 - who knows? But then again, on unknowns - if the EU is an Orban / Meloni / Le Pen-led institution at that point, maybe Labour will be less interested in going back to it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 What a shame… Quote Wetherspoons has announced it is set to shut another 22 pubs this year as the pub chain battles high labour costs and rocketing food prices. link 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 One for the pub thread really, but the Butler’s Bell in Stafford is ok. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say that it’s a lot less Wetherspoon-y than most. There’s another one in Stafford which is much more your typical ‘spoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 It amazes me someone as stupid and shortsighted as Tim managed to become a multi-millionaire. I just can’t see, even theoretically, the scenario he’d be better off outside the EU single market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: One for the pub thread really, but the Butler’s Bell in Stafford is ok. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say that it’s a lot less Wetherspoon-y than most. There’s another one in Stafford which is much more your typical ‘spoons. Locally they are referred to as Posh Spoons and Chav Spoons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Locally they are referred to as Posh Spoons and Chav Spoons. When I first saw the article my immediate thought was wondering if the posh spoons in Stafford was in the firing line. There being two in close proximity and the picture house being a bit more on brand. While the posh spoons is I suppose nicer, the not so nice one is housed in the more interesting building. Mind you it’s been ten years since I was in that one, no idea what it’s like these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: When I first saw the article my immediate thought was wondering if the posh spoons in Stafford was in the firing line. There being two in close proximity and the picture house being a bit more on brand. While the posh spoons is I suppose nicer, the not so nice one is housed in the more interesting building. Mind you it’s been ten years since I was in that one, no idea what it’s like these days. It was flooded a few years back and has only recently reopened. It's in good condition and by far the more popular of the 2. Posh spoons used to be the last toilet before home so before I moved it was the last call for me, after I moved chav spoons has filled that gap. I have a friend that loves them both so when we meet up about once a month we start in The Picture House. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I understand that Wetherspoons pubs are comparatively cheaper... but this is the only reason to go to them, right? They're soulless places with all the shit beers on tap otherwise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, bobzy said: I understand that Wetherspoons pubs are comparatively cheaper... but this is the only reason to go to them, right? They're soulless places with all the shit beers on tap otherwise. Well they normally have a better than average selection of real ale and some of the venues can be pretty interesting, reusing interesting old buildings. A lot however do have the feel of an airport bar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I hate them. My mate is a brexity Tory, so obviously he loves them and I have bigger fights than where we meet up. Their selection of beers are ok in the same way that sports direct stocks a lot of brands, Spoons has a hell of a lot of Slazenger. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Seat68 said: My mate is a brexity Tory Is he still saying Brexit is a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: Is he still saying Brexit is a good idea? Yes. Politically he is **** deluded, he thinks it's a great idea. We avoid politics though as that small part of his character is completely at odds with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Yes. Politically he is **** deluded, he thinks it's a great idea. We avoid politics though as that small part of his character is completely at odds with me. Wow, that’s some hardcore dedication to the cult right there. Edit: Mods, that’s not me trying to get around the swear filter, I did mean cult. Edited July 13, 2023 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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