tinker Posted March 1, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2023 Surely with no border controls between Ireland and NI goods can flow with no restrictions between the two of them anyway regardless of the green or red lane status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 They can stand in one part of the country and herald the access to both markets as some kind of triumph while pretending that being out of it is brilliant for the rest of us, and they either think we're stupid enough to not see through it, or they just don't care that we do What about all of the horrific parts of the EU access that means we're better off out? Like....Sovereignty? One thing's for sure, if anyone in NI is worried about their lack of sovereignty, it ain't because of Brussels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I’m sure Laura K will be getting ready to ask the tough questions about how this deal is being sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 This is a bit of a climb down isn’t it? Make the thing we said would be incredible “work” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Genie said: This is a bit of a climb down isn’t it? Make the thing we said would be incredible “work” Pretty much everything listed here as a benefit is something that we had before Brexit. The rejoin campaign would list most of this stuff (all of it really, apart from the EU law bit, which is a spurious claim anyway) and countless others benefits. They have still not even got close to what they promised Brexit would be and they can still go out in public championing it? How does any politician that still supports Brexit have any credibility at all? It exists today as it always was, fantasy based on lies, to continue to pretend it is a benefit is to actively hurt this country and the people within. I feel so gaslit today it's unreal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 2, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Straggler said: Pretty much everything listed here as a benefit is something that we had before Brexit. The rejoin campaign would list most of this stuff (all of it really, apart from the EU law bit, which is a spurious claim anyway) and countless others benefits. Is there a rejoin campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, sidcow said: Is there a rejoin campaign? Yes, I'm in it. The libs have rejoining the single market as part of their manifesto, so that's another six or seven people. Sadly I don't trust them though so we are splitting the rejoin vote. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 42 minutes ago, Straggler said: Pretty much everything listed here as a benefit is something that we had before Brexit. The rejoin campaign would list most of this stuff (all of it really, apart from the EU law bit, which is a spurious claim anyway) and countless others benefits. They have still not even got close to what they promised Brexit would be and they can still go out in public championing it? How does any politician that still supports Brexit have any credibility at all? It exists today as it always was, fantasy based on lies, to continue to pretend it is a benefit is to actively hurt this country and the people within. I feel so gaslit today it's unreal. My interpretation of the new slogan “Make Brexit Work” is that they want to shift the perception away from the fact it was their idea to making the most of being dealt a shitty hand by the EU. We have to make the war in Ukraine work We had to make the pandemic work We shouldn’t have had to make leaving the EU work as it was entirely self inflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I am currently working on a massively high profile software implementation that is replacing an absolute shit show, but the same mistakes are being made, with even worse mistakes being thrown in too, a plan of complete ridiculousness and corner cutting has been delivered and attached to it was lets make this plan work. So if something is complete shit, but the stakeholders are unwilling to make changes, its always lets make this plan work. At least bananas will be bendy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 2, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Straggler said: Yes, I'm in it. The libs have rejoining the single market as part of their manifesto, so that's another six or seven people. Sadly I don't trust them though so we are splitting the rejoin vote. I had no idea, and I'm pro re-joining. They need a high profile, driven individual to spearhead it. Say what you like about Farage but he was in your face, in the media and relentlessly driving his messages forward. I don't see any similar kind of figure for re-join and remain didn't have any one leader either. Sadly the masses of this country won't do anything without a charismatic figure with catchy slogans to follow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 Wow, Non other than the Mail Online Quote Ministers 'turn to migrant workers to boost the economy': Bricklayers, roofers, plasterers and carpenters 'will be added to the government's shortage occupation list' due to shortages in construction industry Britain is planning to relax rules on foreign workers to allow more into the country to address the UK's chronic labour shortages. At the same time ministers talk tough on illegal immigration, a swathe of occupations will be added to the 'shortage occupation list' which eases recruitment abroad. The construction sector is due to be the first part of the economy to benefit, with a bricklayers, roofers, plasterers and carpenters recruited from abroad to address a shortage of home-grown applicants. Not a single peep about “betrayal” or “will of the people” either. Has the penny started to drop in DM HQ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) Migrant workers boost the Economy. I mean. Wow. Why didn't someone point this out sooner? Edited March 10, 2023 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 10, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, Genie said: Wow, Non other than the Mail Online Not a single peep about “betrayal” or “will of the people” either. Has the penny started to drop in DM HQ? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, blandy said: No. I think it must have. They’re reporting that the UK is relaxing access for lower skilled migrant workers cos we desperately need them and have not spun it as the government betraying the 2016 vote (or the other option of not reporting it at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 10, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Genie said: I think it must have. They’re reporting that the UK is relaxing access for lower skilled migrant workers cos we desperately need them and have not spun it as the government betraying the 2016 vote (or the other option of not reporting it at all). I can guarantee that they'll not have changed their editorial line on how Brexit is great. "It's a demonstration of how we have taken back control of our borders, only letting in those we want and who will benefit the UK economy" or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, blandy said: I can guarantee that they'll not have changed their editorial line on how Brexit is great. "It's a demonstration of how we have taken back control of our borders, only letting in those we want and who will benefit the UK economy" or something. Probably true, but we also know a lot of their readers voted Brexit to get rid of the foreigners full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 10, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: Probably true, but we also know a lot of their readers voted Brexit to get rid of the foreigners full stop. Also probably true. Thing is though, most people now can see that Brexit has made everything worse. So any scrap of "good" is picked up on and over-emphasised by the cheerleaders of Brexit, to try to desperately "prove" how great Brexit is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Quote Wetherspoons has been forced to make changes to its much-loved breakfast menu due to supply shortages. The pub chain has announced it will no longer be serving tomatoes with its breakfast fry-ups amid nationwide shortages. Before the shortage, the bargain £6.88 breakfast meal included two sausages, two bacon, two fried eggs, a large mushroom slice, a tomato, three hash browns, baked beans and four half slices of toast. But now the tomato has vanished from the meal. Pub-goers are also unable to add grilled tomatoes as an extra with the item listed as ‘out of stock’. It is unclear whether they will be replaced by turnips. The London Economic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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