The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[Seat68]

7 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

I wasn’t talking about the physical paper copy

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/529970/uk-online-newspaper-market-by-daily-average-unique-browsers/

You said newspaper, Mail Online is completely different, peddling the same sort of hate but the audience is different. My parents would read the daily mail, but they wouldnt visit mail online.

[bickster]

3 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

You said newspaper, Mail Online is completely different, peddling the same sort of hate but the audience is different. My parents would read the daily mail, but they wouldnt visit mail online.

There's a huge difference in their outputs too

[LondonLax]

1 minute ago, Seat68 said:

You said newspaper, Mail Online is completely different, peddling the same sort of hate but the audience is different. My parents would read the daily mail, but they wouldnt visit mail online.

That was the whole point of the last page of discussion. These people are not going away anytime soon.

Even if the older readers who still use a paper copy die the younger daily mail readers are still the biggest newspaper demographic in the country. 

[Seat68]

1 minute ago, LondonLax said:

That was the whole point of the last page of discussion. These people are not going away anytime soon.

Even if the older readers who still use a paper copy die the younger daily mail readers are still the biggest newspaper demographic in the country. 

Well not really, Mail Online stock in trade is celebs, but also click bait, so looking at the poor, hating a set of celebrities or former royal, and its volume, high high volume. They specialise in stories that are basically, look at THAT person, lets judge them. The Daily Mail, thats hate, pure bile, foreigners, gays, trans, the eu, hate, politicised hate. They are different, different audience.

[LondonLax]

Just now, Seat68 said:

Well not really, Mail Online stock in trade is celebs, but also click bait, so looking at the poor, hating a set of celebrities or former royal, and its volume, high high volume. They specialise in stories that are basically, look at THAT person, lets judge them. The Daily Mail, thats hate, pure bile, foreigners, gays, trans, the eu, hate, politicised hate. They are different, different audience.

I suggest you go and click on a Daily Mail article about immigration or the EU and scroll down to the comments section. You might be in for a bit of a shock

[sidcow]

8 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

Well not really, Mail Online stock in trade is celebs, but also click bait, so looking at the poor, hating a set of celebrities or former royal, and its volume, high high volume. They specialise in stories that are basically, look at THAT person, lets judge them. The Daily Mail, thats hate, pure bile, foreigners, gays, trans, the eu, hate, politicised hate. They are different, different audience.

Nah, their website is half bile and half celeb.  Ironically bile on the left and celebrity on the right.

[Seat68]

Just now, LondonLax said:

I suggest you go and click on a Daily Mail article about immigration or the EU and scroll down to the comments section. You might be in for a bit of a shock

I am aware of the stories they have but its how traffic is driven to their page, I know of the comments I don't need to look. I feel though, broadly, the audience between mail online and the daily mail is a different one. 25% of the traffic is there purely for celebrity news. Paul Dacre himself during the Hopkins case put distance between the two regarding content and readership.

[The Fun Factory]

35 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

I wasn’t talking about the physical paper copy

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/529970/uk-online-newspaper-market-by-daily-average-unique-browsers/

That is a fairly even spilit with the top 4  a mix of right and left. Metro and Indpendent are fairly harmless as well. Paper print would be much more righwing, but this is in terminal decline. It is just waiting for a big newspaper to go online only. The indy did it but hardly anyone bought it. 

[bickster]

Part of the problem with the print version of the Heil is that old people tend to mix more exclusively with old people because they are retired and don't go to work with a broad range of opinions and ages. 

And that is why it strongly influences the soon to be dead more that the average reader of the website

On the comments thing, it really is only ever a very small set of people that ever comment on online newspaper articles, it's not really a guide to anything other than there are some right knobs in the world

[tinker]

3 hours ago, LondonLax said:

I wasn’t talking about the physical paper copy

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/529970/uk-online-newspaper-market-by-daily-average-unique-browsers/

Mainly traffic from Ireland 

[Xann]

Brexit and Farage funding Arron Banks must be loving the state of the NHS, since he wants to sell health insurance and everything.

[delboy54]

Add the factor that mail on line is free (probably cos its shite).

Does that skew the data?

[limpid]

4 minutes ago, delboy54 said:

Add the factor that mail on line is free (probably cos its shite).

Does that skew the data?

Nothing on the internet is free.

[villa4europe]

20 minutes ago, limpid said:

Nothing on the internet is free.

i dunno, still popular in ireland

[delboy54]

Maybe slightly off topic at first but it isn't. Its important to read it please guys and not skip to the end, it's about my first hand experience of NHS.

I am a reasonably fit 64 1/2 year old who is keeping reasonably fit 150 odd park runs, some 10k runs and was training to run my first ever half marathon in Cambridge next month.....cos its flat

To cut to the chase I started to feel a bit under the weather with a cough but no cold symptoms it was more like a flu bug. The Monday 23rd got back from work felt so cold shivering for hours. Next day not well enough for work but that afternoon repeated for next 6 days shivering for 4 hours then suddenly hot as hell, no appetite etc NHS website confirmed flu symptoms. My missus phoned the doc on 31st she wanted to see me immediately.  Us blokes can think we are bloody martyrs dont we?...symptoms should have cleared up within 3 days

Sent immediately to NHS suspected sepsis.

A and E arrived at 1245 got triaged at 1500 and then saw a doc and tests at 1600. At 2230 they escorted me to a hospital bed connected to drips and drugs. Maybe I have been lucky but this was the first time ever I had been admitted to hospital. Pneumonia was diagnosed and the only bed available was on the geriatric ward, where I still am. I am recovering thanks to antibiotics. But I have seen sights that have been horrific and opened my eyes, most of these guys on this ward have dementia and will die sometime.

Now to the bit you guys have to read, the NHS staff have been bloody brilliant, some of them could get paid more at Micky D's, but they continue to clean up double incontinent geriatrics.....at the end of a gruelling 12 hr shift, the underpaid, over worked staff go home and the next shift comes in.

These NHS front line staff do not deserve 10% they deserve 30% or more....I admit i cried for the first time for years at what they do and how little they get paid....it is a f*****g DISGRACE !!!!!! and I feel ashamed that our NHS is being run into the ground

Thought you should know 

VTID

[Seat68]

3 minutes ago, delboy54 said:

Maybe slightly off topic at first but it isn't. Its important to read it please guys and not skip to the end, it's about my first hand experience of NHS.

I am a reasonably fit 64 1/2 year old who is keeping reasonably fit 150 odd park runs, some 10k runs and was training to run my first ever half marathon in Cambridge next month.....cos its flat

To cut to the chase I started to feel a bit under the weather with a cough but no cold symptoms it was more like a flu bug. The Monday 23rd got back from work felt so cold shivering for hours. Next day not well enough for work but that afternoon repeated for next 6 days shivering for 4 hours then suddenly hot as hell, no appetite etc NHS website confirmed flu symptoms. My missus phoned the doc on 31st she wanted to see me immediately.  Us blokes can think we are bloody martyrs dont we?...symptoms should have cleared up within 3 days

Sent immediately to NHS suspected sepsis.

A and E arrived at 1245 got triaged at 1500 and then saw a doc and tests at 1600. At 2230 they escorted me to a hospital bed connected to drips and drugs. Maybe I have been lucky but this was the first time ever I had been admitted to hospital. Pneumonia was diagnosed and the only bed available was on the geriatric ward, where I still am. I am recovering thanks to antibiotics. But I have seen sights that have been horrific and opened my eyes, most of these guys on this ward have dementia and will die sometime.

Now to the bit you guys have to read, the NHS staff have been bloody brilliant, some of them could get paid more at Micky D's, but they continue to clean up double incontinent geriatrics.....at the end of a gruelling 12 hr shift, the underpaid, over worked staff go home and the next shift comes in.

These NHS front line staff do not deserve 10% they deserve 30% or more....I admit i cried for the first time for years at what they do and how little they get paid....it is a f*****g DISGRACE !!!!!! and I feel ashamed that our NHS is being run into the ground

Thought you should know 

VTID

thanks for sharing, I agree with all of that, and also take it easy, you are in good hands.

[delboy54]

I am tearing up as I type this thank you, you mad bunch

[Genie]

20 minutes ago, delboy54 said:

I am tearing up as I type this thank you, you mad bunch

Get well soon fella

[Genie]

Just Boris campaigning for Turkey to be allowed to join the EU. Obviously from before he realised he needed to oppose such ideas to get ahead in his career (and **** the consequences for everyone else)

 

[sidcow]

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexits-flat-battery/

Brexit’s flat battery

The unsurprising collapse of Britishvolt, and the total lack of strategy or investment in batteries, will be the final nail in the coffin for the car industry

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Since Brexit, the British government has given the impression that the country’s manufacturing future depends on a brave new leap forward into green technology, which it would support with huge grants, political commitment and a serious industrial policy. That new policy would inevitably involve being open to other markets and the global economy.

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But increasingly, it seems, Britain is not open for business. Quite the opposite. In the face of persistent failures, the government is reduced to raising its hands and saying: “Nothing to do with me, mate.”

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Even after 13 years of total incompetence, the Britishvolt debacle stands out. The collapse of the battery manufacturer falls so far below the standard of even this government that it is difficult to grasp the scale of the failure. It also shows the immense damage that can be caused when a country like Britain cuts itself off from its neighbours, in the delusional hope of going it alone. Now, unless Britain can build several massive new battery factories, the British car industry is finished. The collapse of Britishvolt means the date of the industry’s execution has most probably been brought forward

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Britishvolt is the perfect example of the madness of “Global Britain”. The UK has been left isolated and alone on the edge of a continent. Its only chance of making something of the mess was to develop a radical, huge and well-funded economic and industrial policy, to attract firms despite Brexit, to nurture the industries of the future, to soften the blows of Brexit, or at a bare minimum to just have a plan. It did none of these things, and Britishvolt is the result.

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It was one of those very British, go-it-alone, overly optimistic to the point of delusion, underfunded, naive ideas. Britishvolt was designing its own batteries from scratch, yet it did not have any previous experience of making batteries. Neither did it have any customers.

You might think that the bare minimum requirement to make a success of such a venture was to have a cast-iron deal, an approved design, agreed funding and a ready buyer – and you would be right.

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None of these obvious flaws stopped the then PM, one Boris Johnson, from claiming Britishvolt was “fantastic news” and – you’ll like this one – that it assured “the UK’s place at the helm of the global green industrial revolution”.

All of it was just a shameless attempt by the blustering buffoon to get on the battery-powered bandwagon.

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The UK had already fallen far, far behind its competitors in battery technology and capacity. Elon Musk is building his European gigafactory not in the UK, but in Berlin. Why? Because, as he told the world, Brexit made the UK “too risky”.

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At the same time that ministers were boasting that Britishvolt was a sure sign that Global Britain was attracting the brightest and best to its shores, the rest of the world was looking at the country and making a hard-headed decision. It decided to invest almost anywhere but the UK.

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Britishvolt is not just a failure in its own right, it is a harbinger of what is to come. The companies and the countries that can master green technology will own the future; ending reliance on fossil fuels, the ability to create, distribute, store and use green electricity is the new industrial revolution.

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The failure of Brexit makes such policies more important, not less. But tragically Brexit was promoted by economically illiterate, ultra-freemarket, small-state, know-nothings. So the UK gets the worst of both worlds. It is not part of the EU plan to build the world-beating industries of the future, and it has no industrial policy of its own.

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Being at the forefront of this change is not just about guaranteeing you have a car industry in seven years’ time, it is about ensuring you have any industry.

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by sidcow