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chrisp65 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 You bastard, that’s what I was here to post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, avfcDJ said: Who thinks remain will win a referendum? I do, mostly, but I've got to be honest, and I'm not stupid, the media reporting always makes me feel like the majority of the country wants brexit. It's not what I get when I talk to people, I hardly know any who want it, but the media just puts the fear of God into me about it all. I read similar in this thread prior to the referendum. Nearly all the polls said ‘remain’ and this thread had plenty of “I don’t know anyone who is voting leave” comments. We all know what the result was. Just to offset your ‘I hardly know anyone who wants it’ comment, a strong majority of my family, friends and work colleagues voted leave. The majority of those still want it to be seen through. Despite differences, I would add that they are not all racist idiots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, brommy said: Despite differences, I would add that they are not all racist idiots. Maybe not willingly, but if after everything that's happened, you still want to leave, then you're either racist, benefitting it from financially or ignorant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Maybe not willingly, but if after everything that's happened, you still want to leave, then you're either racist, benefitting it from financially or ignorant. Do you believe I want to leave? Edited October 22, 2019 by brommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, brommy said: I read similar in this thread prior to the referendum. Nearly all the polls said ‘remain’ and this thread had plenty of “I don’t know anyone who is voting leave” comments. We all know what the result was. Just to offset your ‘I hardly know anyone who wants it’ comment, a strong majority of my family, friends and work colleagues voted leave. The majority of those still want it to be seen through. Despite differences, I would add that they are not all racist idiots. I know a lot who voted leave, they now want to remain. In the political group I'm in for where I live, there was a discussion about this recently and a lot of those who were determined to leave have changed their mind. I live in a very pro-Brexit place and yet the mood seems have changed. Saying that, people come here to retire and most will still vote to leave, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, brommy said: Do you believe I want to leave? Speaking on someone else’s behalf, I think it was common use of ‘you’, instead of ‘someone’. Edited October 22, 2019 by chrisp65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 This gives me hope: "In January 2019 Britain will officially switch from a pro-Brexit to an anti-Brexit country, and this is how we know" www.independent.co.uk/voices/final-say-remain-leave-second-referendum-brexit-no-deal-crossover-day-a8541576.html%3famp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, avfcDJ said: I know a lot who voted leave, they now want to remain. In the political group I'm in for where I live, there was a discussion about this recently and a lot of those who were determined to leave have changed their mind. I live in a very pro-Brexit place and yet the mood seems have changed. Saying that, people come here to retire and most will still vote to leave, I think. A lot of people that I know that voted to leave will either not vote a second time or vote remain. Believe it or not there’s many people that regret trusting our government and won’t make the same mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: A lot of people that I know that voted to leave will either not vote a second time or vote remain. Believe it or not there’s many people that regret trusting our government and won’t make the same mistake again. It's so hard to judge though. But when it comes to the media, you'd think the whole country wanted it. I'm not sure that is the case, I think the media are now a voice for the government rather than a voice for the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, brommy said: Do you believe I want to leave? 10 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Speaking on someone else’s behalf, I think it was common use of ‘you’, instead of ‘someone’. Indeed. In English we don't really have a pronoun for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, chrisp65 said: Speaking on someone else’s behalf, I think it was common use of ‘you’, instead of ‘someone’. I wanted to be sure. I hope Stefan meant ‘if one wanted to leave’. Having said that, I expect the majority of the leavers I know would deny his proposition/accusation. Much as I’ve had to stomach an MP and government I’ve never voted for, when it comes to brexit I have settled on agreeing to disagree with many of the people I know. If I were to band around accusations of racism and/or ignorance, I would face strong denial, lose some of my friends and work would be awkward. The feeling is strong on both sides which makes me think it’s not going away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, brommy said: I wanted to be sure. I hope Stefan meant ‘if one wanted to leave’. Having said that, I expect the majority of the leavers I know would deny his proposition/accusation. Much as I’ve had to stomach an MP and government I’ve never voted for, when it comes to brexit I have settled on agreeing to disagree with many of the people I know. If I were to band around accusations of racism and/or ignorance, I would face strong denial, lose some of my friends and work would be awkward. The feeling is strong on both sides which makes me think it’s not going away. Where are the benefits at this point? I was very careful with my language (you/one mixup aside) If a regular person still wants to leave, they are one of the 3 things I mentioned above. It is objectively a horrendous decision at this point. Sticking one's ( ) fingers in their ears and yelling 'la la la' doesn't change that. Feels v reals, unless you stand to benefit from it personally or you're so ideological opposed to the EU Edited October 22, 2019 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, brommy said: I wanted to be sure. I hope Stefan meant ‘if one wanted to leave’. Having said that, I expect the majority of the leavers I know would deny his proposition/accusation. Much as I’ve had to stomach an MP and government I’ve never voted for, when it comes to brexit I have settled on agreeing to disagree with many of the people I know. If I were to band around accusations of racism and/or ignorance, I would face strong denial, lose some of my friends and work would be awkward. The feeling is strong on both sides which makes me think it’s not going away. Don’t get me wrong, I was giving Stefan the benefit of the doubt. Personally I’m convinced you’re a raving gammon nazi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 22, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2019 Separate point, but it would be interesting to jump in a time machine and speak with some of these now, ardent Leavers and see their views on the EU back then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) If you want to know why the ERG have signed up to Johnson's agreement with the EU then listen to Bridgen tonight on Newsnight. Whoever is in contol of the next Parliament controls what the PD means. Any MP who votes for the WA without understanding that doesn't understand what they are doing. Edit: It is the height of the shyster. Johnson is a disgrace - he wants to be applauded for 'getting a deal' and to be able to distance himself from the shit that is to come afterwards. Edited October 22, 2019 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Where are the benefits at this point? I was very careful with my language (you/one mixup aside) If a regular person still wants to leave, they are one of the 3 things I mentioned above. It is objectively a horrendous decision at this point. Sticking one's ( ) fingers in their ears and yelling 'la la la' doesn't change that. Cutting through the flannel, I would say the main concern of those leavers I know is population increase. They don’t care about skin colour and aren’t all white anyway. They see leaving the EU as being able to slow down the increase. They acknowledge that the majority of immigrants pay tax and therefore contribute to the economy but doubt whether their average contribution is enough to cover the additional resources required - childcare, school education, healthcare, welfare support, transport infrastructure etc. Most of the people I know earn well and pay thousands (some tens of thousands) in taxes. I believe they resent the additional numbers that perhaps pay hundreds, which they see as a net deduction. Of your 3 accusations, perhaps it’s closest to “ignorance’. Something they would deny and throw right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Aaaand Newsnight does a vox pop of pensioners in Scunthorpe indoor market. One of them’s going to vote LibDem if there’s a referendum, love him. **** the **** lot of them at the BBC that have done that to Newsnight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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