MikeMcKenna Posted March 17, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said: These protests have a very positive intent as well. Some initial steps are being taken but they have a long long way to go and the BIG issue will be investment over the summer. We have been utterly disastrous on so many levels for years and it is about time we all stood up and sent a loud message that we've had enough. Doing that we put a bit more pressure on our board (and hopefully Lerner). To me that is positive action and that is supporting our CLUB. As people have said, we still have a disengaged owner and that is a big problem. He needs to invest or become a motivated seller or we are doomed. Lerner just has to go full stop. His is like a dead hand that has set the club back decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 16 hours ago, maqroll said: ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Can I protest that I think your protest about not being able to protest is stupid??? Of course you can. That is your democratic right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Of course you can. That is your democratic right. i disagree completely. He should not be allowed to protest the protest and I protest the decision to give him that right. methinks he doth protest too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Just now, srsmithusa said: i disagree completely. He should not be allowed to protest the protest and I protest the decision to give him that right. methinks he doth protest too much. You know what to do. #BannersOutOn74 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted March 17, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2016 1 hour ago, dn1982 said: So Fox and Almstadt have gone. Changes are afoot isn't it about time we united and supported OUR club? We can't do anything about Lerner unless someone on here has £100m+ but one thing is for sure any potential owners will prefer to see a full Villa Park supporting a club that's in the crap than a half empty stadium with bed sheets saying Lerner Out. We need momentum and a united fan base going into next season to have any sort of chance of coming back up and if we don't we really will be in a lot of trouble!! How ironic............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 1 minute ago, MikeMcKenna said: How ironic............ 1 minute ago, MikeMcKenna said: How ironic............ Have you been listening to Alanis Morisette? Cause she doesn't know what ironic is either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: i disagree completely. He should not be allowed to protest the protest and I protest the decision to give him that right. methinks he doth protest too much. Now I am confused. Are you protesting about the protesting non-protestors who have decided to protest against the protest? Does anyone have a banner for this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Thomas Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Have you been listening to Alanis Morisette? Cause she doesn't know what ironic is either! I am not having that, yes she does. It's like a black fly in your Chardonnay or a death row pardon two minutes too late. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 48 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Can I protest that I think your protest about not being able to protest is stupid??? You can do what you like mate. It is a bit wordy but stick it on a banner and join us by raising it on 74 minutes against Chelsea. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted March 17, 2016 Author VT Supporter Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, dn1982 said: Have you been listening to Alanis Morisette? Cause she doesn't know what ironic is either! You have discovered my true identity!! Where shall I send the prize? Early 16th century (also denoting Socratic irony): via Latin from Greek eirōneia 'simulated ignorance', from eirōn 'dissembler'. Carry on dissembling son! Edited March 17, 2016 by MikeMcKenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted March 17, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, dn1982 said: We need momentum and a united fan base going into next season to have any sort of chance of coming back up and if we don't we really will be in a lot of trouble!! Next season is potentially a completely different scenario. As I said yesterday there are around 14 weeks between the last game of this season and the first game of next season and a lot can hopefully happen in that time. I actually agree with you that we could do with a united fan base going into next season. The only way that happens though is if there is a genuine belief amongst us the supporters that we will be promoted. Next season is a long way off though. For now in terms of on the pitch we are done and the next 8 games is about going through the motions. What we can influence though is what goes on off the pitch and how the club approaches the 3 months between this season and next. Even though I am part of this protest group I am not going to bullshit people to give false hope on what I believe a protest can achieve at the moment so with that in mind it is my personal opinion that Lerner will not leave any time soon. The changes to the board tell me that and in fairness logic tells me that he will want to sell us as a Premier League club. Therefore you could say why protest. Firstly as stated earlier I think we have a right to have our feelings heard as long as by doing so doesn't break any club rules. This is our football club, we are hurting and as a very basic right we have to be allowed to release that hurt and get a message across. Secondly and just as important I think we can influence those running the club. Some my disagree but I think we perhaps already have. I think by letting them know we will no longer stand for failure, no longer allow the sacking of another manager to appease us, that it will make Lerner and the board more determined to get things right. Knowing that we are now pointing the finger very much at the top of the club. We can't make Lerner leave, we can encourage him to by making it uncomfortable for him and those on the board that the message gets back to him that this can't go on. I certainly believe we can make it uncomfortable enough that they will do all they can to make sure we go into next season in good enough shape on the pitch to mount a promotion challenge and therefore keep fans fully focused where they really should be - matters on the pitch and getting behind the team. Edited March 17, 2016 by markavfc40 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leemond2008 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'm fully behind any protest that the fans come up with, my only problem is that villa fans have been far too apathetic over the last 5 years and we have had to slip past the event horizon before anyone has bothered to do anything, that's not me having a pop at the villa fans I just think that Brummies as a rule are far too laid back, I voted with my feet a few years ago. As I say even though I'm not a regular down there these days I still bleed claret and blue, I think about the villa 100 times a day even though I choose/can't afford to follow them on a weekly basis, they are my team, and always will be, even though its late its not a case of 'too little too late' its a case of 'about bloody time' 100% behind making ourselves heard p.s. I am sure that a lot of our apathy comes from David O'Leary, villa fans walk around with this stigma of being classed as fickle all because of one comment that he made, ever since the whole 'not fickle just don't like you' stuff villa fans have been terrified that this will come back to haunt them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 18 hours ago, Gary Thomas said: I am not having that, yes she does. It's like a black fly in your Chardonnay or a death row pardon two minutes too late. I'm glad you said this. That song has tons of examples of irony, the idea that none of it is Ironic is bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted March 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2016 I love the way a 'cabinet reshuffle' has people coming here to leave little comments about stopping protests and unite together. Lerner is still in charge, we are still cost cutting, we still have an inept squad, we are still dead last, we will still be relegated, the players/owners still deserve none of our respect. Fans protests will still be stopped in the ground. It's as you were for me. Just because we have different names in the positions of power doesn't mean things won't get a lot worse yet. Yes all the cost cutting and removal of useless employees is newsworthy but when the cuts start hitting the coaching staff, players etc... and then we continue to not bring anyone in to replace them then then what? Then we are the next Portsmouth. Full steam ahead with the protests for me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Banners Out On 74, just like OTDO74 before it, is a peaceful protest. It should not adversely affect either the team on the pitch or the work currently taking place to restructure the board. As far as I'm concerned, we ARE united in wanting the best for Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: I love the way a 'cabinet reshuffle' has people coming here to leave little comments about stopping protests and unite together. Lerner is still in charge, we are still cost cutting, we still have an inept squad, we are still dead last, we will still be relegated, the players/owners still deserve none of our respect. Fans protests will still be stopped in the ground. It's as you were for me. Just because we have different names in the positions of power doesn't mean things won't get a lot worse yet. Yes all the cost cutting and removal of useless employees is newsworthy but when the cuts start hitting the coaching staff, players etc... and then we continue to not bring anyone in to replace them then then what? Then we are the next Portsmouth. Full steam ahead with the protests for me. So are you still protesting for change? Some are protesting for the right to protest. Under what circumstances would you not want to protest and be realistic. You can want Lerner to go as much as you want but unless you've got a spare £100m knocking about it's not going to happen anytime soon. The squad can't be dealt with until the summer. We should be cost cutting firstly because we employ way more people on a permanent basis than we should. Just compare us to other clubs for instance. Fox and Almstadt have gone and unfortunately because football is a sport we don't have any guarantees the people coming in will do any better. All we can do is hope. One thing that makes a difference is the quality of the people involved and in Bernstein and Little we seem to have got some football nous on board. We are all pissed off that we are likely to be relegated but protesting for the sake of it isn't going to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, dn1982 said: So are you still protesting for change? Some are protesting for the right to protest. Under what circumstances would you not want to protest and be realistic. You can want Lerner to go as much as you want but unless you've got a spare £100m knocking about it's not going to happen anytime soon. The squad can't be dealt with until the summer. We should be cost cutting firstly because we employ way more people on a permanent basis than we should. Just compare us to other clubs for instance. Fox and Almstadt have gone and unfortunately because football is a sport we don't have any guarantees the people coming in will do any better. All we can do is hope. One thing that makes a difference is the quality of the people involved and in Bernstein and Little we seem to have got some football nous on board. We are all pissed off that we are likely to be relegated but protesting for the sake of it isn't going to do anything. My reasons are elsewhere in this topic, I'll protest until Lerner is gone thanks. Out the door was about change, I'm now of the belief that Lerner and his cronies and the players all need to go. Whether that's possible or not doesn't affect my willingness to protest for what I believe. If people give up because of the low chance of success then they are cowards and sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 46 minutes ago, Ingram85 said: My reasons are elsewhere in this topic, I'll protest until Lerner is gone thanks. Out the door was about change, I'm now of the belief that Lerner and his cronies and the players all need to go. Whether that's possible or not doesn't affect my willingness to protest for what I believe. If people give up because of the low chance of success then they are cowards and sheep. I take it your classing the majority of fans as cowards and sheep then?? Fair play I just wish I was such a good fan as you. Have fun protesting and I look forward to seeing your banner at Rotherham away next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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