Popular Post markavfc40 Posted February 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rob182 said: This is where I am right now. If you say 'we're protesting because we want investment into the team', the answer will be 'well you had massive investment with O'Neill. Also, you were given all of the Benteke and Delph money to invest (plus a bit more) last summer, which is how you bought Ayew, Veretout, Amavi, Gana, Traore, Gestede etc'. If the demand then changes to 'Yes, but we want money invested in the RIGHT players', then the answer will be 'Firstly, all teams want that but not all get it. Secondly, Ayew and Amavi have both been championed as excellent purchases. You can't win them all'. Then the demand appears to be 'we want clear direction', but again, I think we already have a clear direction. Without the board sending a communication to everyone, it's pretty clear that our plan recently is to buy promising players who we can improve, sell for more money and repeat (which is what we should be doing, like Everton/Spurs etc). The main issue for me, is that we're shit. But lots of teams are shit, and you just have to put up with the shitness until you start playing well again. This isn’t about us simply reacting to suddenly being shit. We have been shit for six years and as a fan base done absolutely nothing aside from chanting for numerous managers to be sacked and made to be another scapegoat. This organised mass walk out isn't some knee jerk reaction. It is the culmination of years and years of mismanagement. It isn't simply us the supporters having a tantrum and screaming spend more it is around why the club failed to have any kind of clear vision and why that still appears to be the case. On the managerial side we went from O’Neill to Houllier to McLeish. In terms of styles we went from chalk to cheese twice. We gave Lambert a 4 year contract and 4 months later sacked him. We gave an inexperienced Sherwood a 3 year deal then sacked him 10 games after allowing him to have a huge input into spending 50 odd million. In 2014 we replaced an inexperienced CEO with a guy who had never before held such a position. Just 2 months ago we bring in a chairman who has never been involved with a football club let alone run one. We found out just recently that the club increased non tv revenue by a single figure percentage since 2006. I have just touched on the tip of the iceberg here and could go way deeper without even touching money spent on players and poor on pitch results. To see this as fans simply kicking up a stink due to a period of poor results is missing the point completely. This goes way deeper than that. To have a founder member of the Premier League and the advantage of all the money that has brought into the club sitting cut adrift at the foot of the table takes an unbelievable amount of incompetence. During this sustained period of struggle the fans for me have shown admirable levels of patience. That patience for me and many others has now cracked and I am hoping that by what will now be the hard core, the shit or shine merchants that will now attend the home games making a stand it will also make the media take notice of the plight of this great club and get us some positive action from those running the club or at the very least some communication and honesty around what they intend to do to put things right. Edited February 22, 2016 by markavfc40 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 So what's the end goal? Lerner to leave? Us to spend money in the next transfer window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: So what's the end goal? Lerner to leave? Us to spend money in the next transfer window? Change. There is a website if you want further info - http://outthedooron74.co.uk/ Quote What is the objective? Our long term objective is relatively simple; to persuade the owner and clubs directors to change course and provide us with a positive vision for the future. To be “prepared”. To put up or go. Though in the short to medium term it is even simpler than that… This walkout is a show of hands, we want there to be no doubts left. We will not idly take this any longer, WE are ‘Prepared’ for action. This grand old football club, this institution that we hold so dear is rotten to the core, we are disaffected and we are angry. The end of the tether has been reached, we are bubbling over. IT’S TIME FOR THE LION TO ROAR, IT’S TIME FOR OUT THE DOOR ON ’74 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 the common response to this that ive seen is either "i've stopped going anyway" or "ive left by then most weeks anyway" says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Its not for me to speak on such matters but I think I'm right in saying that the organizers of the Doug out, campaigns, received a lot of abuse for their efforts, to the extent where they've said they would never do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Thanks I'll have a look. Another concern I have, say we beat Stoke, we then have a big home game that could take us close to 18th. We're then seen on TV booing our defender (not related but it's going to happen) then we all walk out at a possible pivotal point of the game. We could be inadvertently hindering our cause here and looking stupid in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Just now, Wainy316 said: then we all walk out at a possible pivotal point of the game we could lose 6-0 to stoke at the weekend and then be 0-1 down vs everton and a good % of those that say they will walk out wont, thats the reality of this protest IMO, unless we are >0-1 by the 74th minute then people will stay, if we are 0-2 but everton letting us having the ball with the usual never actually looking like scoring, then people will stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Thanks I'll have a look. Another concern I have, say we beat Stoke, we then have a big home game that could take us close to 18th. We're then seen on TV booing our defender (not related but it's going to happen) then we all walk out at a possible pivotal point of the game. We could be inadvertently hindering our cause here and looking stupid in the process. Risks such as this will need to be taken at some point, the alternative is to wither and die without so much as a whimper. Hypothetically he could announce a sale tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: This isn’t about us simply reacting to suddenly being shit. We have been shit for six years and as a fan base done absolutely nothing aside from chanting for numerous managers to be sacked and made to be another scapegoat. -- Snip -- Hope you don't mind me quoting you, mate? http://outthedooron74.co.uk/this-isnt-about-us-simply-reacting-to-suddenly-being-awful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I'm not trying to be flattering if I say @markavfc40 is the best communicator on this website - it would be good for us all to take note of the ideas expressed in that comment, for future comments elsewhere. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Yes, even I'd be proud of that articulate well thought out comment, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Do we know what Facebook group @rjw63 was referring to two pages ago? We might need to do some putting out of fires. It's best not to leave too many dismissive comments unanswered for too long. it was here: https://www.facebook.com/IrishVilliansAvfc/?fref=nf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 On 20 February 2016 at 21:40, dont_do_it_doug. said: What if we're not "actually" relegated? Then it will be "back the team while they fight relegation" all over again. When does it end? No. This club CANNOT and WILL NOT go on like this. I've had enough, this club is rotten to the core. So whilst you are free to express yourself however you see fit it's out the door on 74 for me. Even if I'm on my own... So what is it you aim to achieve? Lerner to sell?? Fox out? Hollis out? To achieve anything you need an objective and as far as I can see there isn't one apart from trying to tell the board you're not happy! No ones happy. If the club is rotten to the core the only way that'll change is with a new owner and Lerner has been trying to sell for a couple of years. I think trying to staying up is the biggest priority at the minute once that's gone let those know in charge what we think of them. "You're not fit to run our club" sang by 40000 people would have a bigger affect IMO than a walk out copied from Liverpool which got media attention as it affected all supporters nationwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 39 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm not trying to be flattering if I say @markavfc40 is the best communicator on this website - it would be good for us all to take note of the ideas expressed in that comment, for future comments elsewhere. I completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, dn1982 said: So what is it you aim to achieve? Lerner to sell?? Fox out? Hollis out? To achieve anything you need an objective and as far as I can see there isn't one apart from trying to tell the board you're not happy! No ones happy. If the club is rotten to the core the only way that'll change is with a new owner and Lerner has been trying to sell for a couple of years. I think trying to staying up is the biggest priority at the minute once that's gone let those know in charge what we think of them. "You're not fit to run our club" sang by 40000 people would have a bigger affect IMO than a walk out copied from Liverpool which got media attention as it affected all supporters nationwide. http://outthedooron74.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 “I don't think he (Lerner) is a motivated seller right now" - January 28th 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2016 In the Birmingham Mail... http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-planning-walkout-10928250 Quote Supporters intend to stage the 'Out the Door on '74' campaign in the Premier League home games against Everton, Tottenham and Chelsea 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGabbana Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Fantastic stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Its not for me to speak on such matters but I think I'm right in saying that the organizers of the Doug out, campaigns, received a lot of abuse for their efforts, to the extent where they've said they would never do it again. There are always a group of fans that will criticise anything and everything anyone wants to do when it comes to some form of protest. They moan and groan on social media and to their mates at work and down the pub but ultimately they are too apathetic to get off their lazy arses and do anything remotely useful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted February 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: In the Birmingham Mail... http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-planning-walkout-10928250 Yep, Mat's tweeting about it too. Mat Kendrick @MatKendrick 28m28 minutes ago Aston Villa fans planning walkout protest during next three Villa Park matches #avfc http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fans-planning-walkout-10928250 … 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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