tonyh29 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I guess motive will be revealed at some point but the account I heard on the news said he took a cab there , stalked the place for a few minutes and then carried out the attack , which suggests he seems to have deliberately targeted this event , that was mainly advertised on Facebook ? obviously speculation isn't a good thing and I'm not trying to do that , I'm just trying to understand if he woke up this morning thinking I want to kill some people , he could have picked any number of random people or events , but to take a taxi to a children's yoga party that I doubt more than few hundred people knew about , is that how mental illness works ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 11 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Claiming metal health gets them off real jail time. They were very unhappy with this, an so would you if they were yours. I saw a documentary on this. I'll try and find a link. It's very eye opening. If you think mental health facilities/institutions etc where they send people who are unfit to stand trial (for example) are better than real jail time, you'd be in for a shock. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Looks like there has been 2 stabbings in Tamworth town centre the last couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 11 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: Depends . An old mate of mine was given 15-20 years for butchering his girlfriend with a knife who was early pregnancy. He tried to play the mental health card but failed after medical reports stated it wasn’t a factor . Yeah this is the other thing about it. you can't just "claim" mental health or insanity etc. It has to be proved. And it's basically impossible to fake it. If someone is declared unfit mentally to face trial or clinically insane etc, then it's almost certainly true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah this is the other thing about it. you can't just "claim" mental health or insanity etc. It has to be proved. And it's basically impossible to fake it. If someone is declared unfit mentally to face trial or clinically insane etc, then it's almost certainly true Yeah they quickly dismissed his claims of diminished responsibility which was a cop out really . His sentence was lenient imo and although he got released two years ago he’s back inside now for breaching his conditions. I think he’s due for release again soon but he needs hanging . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I guess motive will be revealed at some point but the account I heard on the news said he took a cab there , stalked the place for a few minutes and then carried out the attack , which suggests he seems to have deliberately targeted this event , that was mainly advertised on Facebook ? obviously speculation isn't a good thing and I'm not trying to do that , I'm just trying to understand if he woke up this morning thinking I want to kill some people , he could have picked any number of random people or events , but to take a taxi to a children's yoga party that I doubt more than few hundred people knew about , is that how mental illness works ? That’s premeditated obviously but regarding if mental illness works that way , yes it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 14 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I saw a documentary on this. I'll try and find a link. It's very eye opening. If you think mental health facilities/institutions etc where they send people who are unfit to stand trial (for example) are better than real jail time, you'd be in for a shock. 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yeah this is the other thing about it. you can't just "claim" mental health or insanity etc. It has to be proved. And it's basically impossible to fake it. If someone is declared unfit mentally to face trial or clinically insane etc, then it's almost certainly true Here you go @foreveryoung and @Rugeley Villa Age restricted so you probably have to watch it on YouTube itself but really good video. Obviously it’s US focused but principles are the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Im more interested in the motive than where they are from to be honest. A sick and scummy human being if you can even call that person that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Here you go @foreveryoung and @Rugeley Villa Age restricted so you probably have to watch it on YouTube itself but really good video. Obviously it’s US focused but principles are the same I’ll watch it shortly . I never said that mental institutions are better to be in than prisons though. Edited July 30 by Rugeley Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 35 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I guess motive will be revealed at some point but the account I heard on the news said he took a cab there , stalked the place for a few minutes and then carried out the attack , which suggests he seems to have deliberately targeted this event , that was mainly advertised on Facebook ? obviously speculation isn't a good thing and I'm not trying to do that , I'm just trying to understand if he woke up this morning thinking I want to kill some people , he could have picked any number of random people or events , but to take a taxi to a children's yoga party that I doubt more than few hundred people knew about , is that how mental illness works ? I'd say so. It's so evil and deranged what he did. Mental illness doesn't just mean losing it in the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: I’ll watch it shortly . I never said that mental institutions are better to be in than prisons though. Oh yeah I know you didn't, sorry mate. I just thought it might interest you as well given our other posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'd say so. It's so evil and deranged what he did. Mental illness doesn't just mean losing it in the moment. Indeed. In fact it's probably the exact opposite. Having a flaming row with your partner, possibly while drunk, losing your temper and lashing out is arguably a sign of a 'bad' personality, but it's likely not schizophrenia, so mental illness would not be any sort of legal defence. Buying weapons, fantasising about violence, combing social media to find potential victims, and meticulously planning an attack is pretty much the very definition of mentally ill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 To me , this has horrible echoes of the attacks on kids in Bilston some years ago. I don't know if Horrett Campbell was known to Police/Social Services but he was certainly known in the West indian community as being "not right". Wonder if this bloke is the same and if so will we get the "lessons learned" remarks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'd say so. It's so evil and deranged what he did. Mental illness doesn't just mean losing it in the moment. Metnal illness is not linked to violence in my opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted July 30 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 30 Just now, Pongo Waring said: Metnal illness is not linked to violence in my opinion. You're entitled to to that opinion but its shit and demonstrably wrong. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 Just now, Pongo Waring said: Metnal illness is not linked to violence in my opinion. That is a quite bizarre take, if I may say so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just the thought of those kids being traumatised, possibly for life, when all they were looking forward to was having a wonderful time at the dance class. One can only imagine the terror on those poor, young faces. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 13 minutes ago, bickster said: You're entitled to to that opinion but its shit and demonstrably wrong. While perpetrating violence is relatively uncommon among those with serious mental illness, when it does occur, in many cases it is intertwined with other issues such as co-occurring substance use, adverse childhood experiences, and environmental factors, says Eric B. Elbogen, PhD, a psychologist and professor of psychiatry and behavioral science at the Duke University School of Medicine who studies violence and mental illness. “If a person has a severe mental illness, [they] may have other risk factors for violent behavior,” he says. “So, it may not be mental illness that is driving the violence at all, but rather factors like having been abused as a child, being unemployed, or living in a high-crime neighborhood.” https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness Not sure if this carries any weight on the subject 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 Just now, Follyfoot said: “So, it may not be mental illness that is driving the violence at all, but rather factors like having been abused as a child, being unemployed, or living in a high-crime neighborhood.” Which are themselves known factors in triggering mental illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 Mental illness and violence Violence is not a symptom of psychotic illness. The relationship between mental illness and violence is complex. Research suggests there is little relationship between mental illness and violence when substance use is not involved. Psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with aggressive or violent behavior. People living with schizophrenia are no more violent or dangerous than the rest of the population, if they are: receiving effective treatment not misusing alcohol or drugs. They are more likely to harm themselves than others. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/mental-illness-and-violence more of the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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