Popular Post PaulC Posted July 30 Popular Post Share Posted July 30 Personally I don't care whether it's as a result of mental illness or not. The murdering of children makes my blood boil. My thoughts are with the victims families and friends at this time. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 29 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Metnal illness is not linked to violence in my opinion. What are your qualifications in the field of mental health? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 30 Moderator Share Posted July 30 Quote Overall, people with serious mental illness—which generally refers to those with major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and schizoaffective disorder—are somewhat more likely than members of the general public to commit acts of violence, research shows. A study by Richard A. Van Dorn, PhD, of RTI International, and colleagues, for example, found that in a nationally representative community sample of 34,653 people from the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions, 2.9% of people with serious mental illness had committed violent acts between 2 and 4 years following the study’s baseline, compared with 0.8% of people with no serious mental illness or substance use disorder. However, 10% of people with both serious mental illness and substance use disorder committed such acts during that time (Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology, Vol. 47, No. 3, 2012). Such research may seem to support the notion that people with mental illness pose a danger to society. But a closer look reveals that the situation is more complex, says Elbogen. In the most general sense, “there is a link between mental health and violence,” he says, “but at the same time, most people with severe mental illness are not violent.” American Psychological Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted July 30 Popular Post Share Posted July 30 Third girl confirmed dead now 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: What are your qualifications in the field of mental health? I have no side in this discussion , but if you are asking one poster for their credentials , surely you then have to ask the poster who called their opinion shit and demonstrably wrong , for their credentials as well ? ( and to show this demonstrable evidence) there are a lot of studies out there arguing that its inconclusive , i guess poster A could have used one study and poster B a different one 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 30 Moderator Share Posted July 30 Just now, tonyh29 said: ( and to show this demonstrable evidence) reading before posting should be a requisite too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 This is anecdotal, via my wife and her family of ne'er do wells, my brother in law is currently in prison for the brutal stabbing and killing of his girlfriend. Although he was schizophrenic and during one episode stabbed a dog, this time the judge ruled that he did not have diminished responsibility and this murder was down to a combination of heroin and diazepam. In all fairness we, the family think it was down to his schizophrenia, but I am merely a bystander and not a professional. He was however always a bit of a wrong un and should have been locked up for stabbing the dog, he was sectioned for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, bickster said: reading before posting should be a requisite too adding some vague evidence to a new post 45 mins after your original post is cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 30 Moderator Share Posted July 30 Just now, tonyh29 said: adding some vague evidence to a new post 45 mins after your original post is cheating Some of us have work to do and eating new flavours of crisps and nuking coffee isn't my idea of work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 43 minutes ago, DCJonah said: What are your qualifications in the field of mental health? Do I need to show evidence of qualifications just because you don't agree with my opinion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pongo Waring said: Do I need to show evidence of qualifications just because you don't agree with my opinion? It just seems such a strong opinion to have if you have no expertise in the field. And given your early eagerness for the killer to be an immigrant I question your motives for sharing this opinion. Edited July 30 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Such a horrendous thing to happen. Honestly not sure if I’d be able to carry on with my life if I lost my daughter in such a horrific and sudden way. Feels like our gun laws probably saved quite a few lives today too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 11 minutes ago, DCJonah said: It just seems such a strong opinion to have if you have no expertise in the field. And given your early eagerness for the victim to be an immigrant I question your motives for sharing this opinion. Victim? Don't you mean the child murderer being an immigrants child. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted July 30 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30 13 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Such a horrendous thing to happen. Honestly not sure if I’d be able to carry on with my life if I lost my daughter in such a horrific and sudden way. Feels like our gun laws probably saved quite a few lives today too. God yes, if he'd had access to a semi automatic gun... it doesn't bear thinking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 52 minutes ago, DCJonah said: It just seems such a strong opinion to have if you have no expertise in the field. And given your early eagerness for the victim to be an immigrant I question your motives for sharing this opinion. Victim is a bold claim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) I've only just heard that the murderer is the son of immigrants. It shouldn't matter but I don't dare go on Twitter. Edited July 30 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I've only just heard that the murderers is the son of immigrants. It shouldn't matter but I don't dare go on Twitter. It’s not even that it shouldn’t matter - it doesn’t matter. (But yes, you shouldn’t go on Twitter. That’s just general advice, mind) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: It just seems such a strong opinion to have if you have no expertise in the field. And given your early eagerness for the victim to be an immigrant I question your motives for sharing this opinion. Just because my opinion stinks to you doesn't mean I have to show you my qualifications to you or any other people. No eagerness at all. Very judgemental of you. This is a very and sad event that makes you angry and I jumped to conclusions and fell for the Social media/Telegraph rubbish at posted it here. I apologized for any offence caused. No the "victim" wasn't what you call an "Immigrant" it was a son of two refugees. But why does it matter to you so much? It doesn't matter to me, my thoughts are with the children and the families right now Seems those thinking they're morally higher are showing the same hypocritical thinking and actions of what their judgement is to others and seem rather happy that the victim wasn't what the papers first reported. Making you look very bad right now. Bully tactics in my opinion (Sorry no qualifications in this subject either your royal highness) Edited July 30 by Pongo Waring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 20 minutes ago, bobzy said: Victim is a bold claim Sorry. Complete mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Victim? Don't you mean the child murderer being an immigrants child. Yeah complete mistake. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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