rodders0223 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 44 minutes ago, villanwesty88 said: What will get us out of the Championship then? Mid to late twenties - what when players usually come into their prime? Players who have actually acheived something. Yes, players come into their prime at 27 I agree. If you're a player who has spent most of his career playing in league one then that 'prime' isn't going to be up to much. It tells me he isn't a very good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I don't understand why some seem to think we need to find players who have experience in the championship. We have several on loan there now. We have many more who have played there somewhere along the way. The goal frame is the same size. I'm not saying I would count championship experience against a potential new signing, but I certainly wouldn't count it as a standard of the search. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Players who have actually acheived something. Yes, players come into their prime at 27 I agree. If you're a player who has spent most of his career playing in league one then that 'prime' isn't going to be up to much. It tells me he isn't a very good footballer. In general you're correct but there's always the exceptions. Jamie Vardy for one and a lot of the Swansea squad that came up with them played through the divisions with them. Judge the player on ability not the standard they're playing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 51 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Players who have actually acheived something. Yes, players come into their prime at 27 I agree. If you're a player who has spent most of his career playing in league one then that 'prime' isn't going to be up to much. It tells me he isn't a very good footballer. Depends what you mean by "achieved something". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 52 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: I don't understand why some seem to think we need to find players who have experience in the championship. We have several on loan there now. We have many more who have played there somewhere along the way. The goal frame is the same size. I'm not saying I would count championship experience against a potential new signing, but I certainly wouldn't count it as a standard of the search. I agree to an extent. For me I like the idea of players with experience at that level because we get a good idea of what they've performed like in the past. Signing players from abroad can sometimes be a masterstroke and you can find real gems like Mahrez but they can also take their time to adapt. Moving house, new culture, new language (possibly) all can take its toll. So I think players who have played here and have proven themsleves would be favourable signings because they should be able to hit the ground running. So a higher % of these types of players for me and a lower % of more unpredictable signings for me. We could look at good League 1 players too IMO, such as Tom Bradshaw who I definitely think could step up a division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Surely if you buy players for the Championship you get a Championship side? Burnley are flying because they kept the majority of their squad together and then added quality to it. I think we have enough players either at the club or on loan to have enough experience. We just need to get a properly balanced squad with players bought to fit the system the manager wants to play. Hopefully we can revive Kalinic deal then we need a RB some muscle in CM and a goalscorer. Then it'll be a case of replacing who goes. Is there a squad limit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 if we're keeping Gestede then we should invest in wingers to play to his strength at least. new striker, new RB, CM that can provide defensive support, replacements for the gap left by the ones that will leave/be released. can't say I'll be expecting much from next season considering we'll need to overhaul the majority of the squad, kind of like we did this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Lower leagues are littered with talent we should be pursuing. Rico Henry should be a priority and a sign of intent of the clubs ambitions Alongside Bradshaw from Walsall. Hause & Iorfa from Wolves are worth looking at. You have Jordan cousins from Charlton & Billing at Huddersfield, Roofe from Oxford All young & up and coming attainable players who could add to our squad immensely. If Garde stays a gem or two from the French league. We have our own academy players plus whomever we decide to retain from this years abysmal squad we could/should have a very strong squad that could grow together. The future could be bright or dark only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 1 minute ago, thabucks said: The future could be bright or dark only time will tell. 50/50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Players who have actually acheived something. Yes, players come into their prime at 27 I agree. If you're a player who has spent most of his career playing in league one then that 'prime' isn't going to be up to much. It tells me he isn't a very good footballer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 23 minutes ago, Zatman said: The exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mark Bunn Gestede Lowton Bennett Bowery Westwood Excuse me if I don't sound excited at the prospect of signing middling lower league players. Can anybody tell me the last time we signed a player from the lower leagues that was a success? Delph? I think people are kidding themselves if they expect us to sign average journeymen like Alan Judge and mount a promotion push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I'm not so much concerned about where they have played previously. It's much more important the type of player they are, the role they fit, and the success they have had. I don't just mean position, I mean the way they play that position. I think too often in the past we have looked for good players we could get at a bargain (a business model seeing players as financial assets that can appreciate). Instead we need a football model of looking for players who can be a solid defensive fullback with good positioning and speed but who can also bomb forward and lay in a nice cross... (or not depending on the tactics the manager wants to employ). The football people list 5-15 who can do that, then let the business people see the top one on the list that can be done within reasonable business considerations. (actually, Hollis sort of said this, which is why I liked his most recent statement) In my thinking, we really can't pick players until we have a manager and a system in mind. I hope that's what Garde, Bernstein, and Little are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: Mark Bunn Gestede Lowton Bennett Bowery Westwood Excuse me if I don't sound excited at the prospect of signing middling lower league players. Can anybody tell me the last time we signed a player from the lower leagues that was a success? Delph? I think people are kidding themselves if they expect us to sign average journeymen like Alan Judge and mount a promotion push. We have done poorly in the past no denying but where else are we going to get players from given the fact we will gone down as one of the worst Prem teams ever ? As I said we have done it in a bad for sure. But for every shit lower league we have signed other clubs have unearthed gems. For every Bennett there is a Cresswell and so on. Edited March 18, 2016 by thabucks Got my facts wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted March 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2016 I think if people are expecting top flight signings in the summer then they need get reality check, we couldnt sign any when in Premier League so wont be different now 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanwesty88 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 3 hours ago, dn1982 said: Surely if you buy players for the Championship you get a Championship side? Burnley are flying because they kept the majority of their squad together and then added quality to it. I think we have enough players either at the club or on loan to have enough experience. We just need to get a properly balanced squad with players bought to fit the system the manager wants to play. Hopefully we can revive Kalinic deal then we need a RB some muscle in CM and a goalscorer. Then it'll be a case of replacing who goes. Is there a squad limit? Added quality yes - from the Championship.... Andre Gray their main signing was a Championship player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 That Martin Samuelsen could be a good purchase to grab on loan!! Looks an excellent prospect on loan from West Ham to Peteborough!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Anyone take Odemwingie? Bit old now but he was scoring quite regularly for Stoke and also West Brom in the prem not so long ago. On loan at Bristol City for rest of the season. Stoke have already said he's going on a free transfer end of season so would imagine being local he'll be on our radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Anyone take Odemwingie? Bit old now but he was scoring quite regularly for Stoke and also West Brom in the prem not so long ago. On loan at Bristol City for rest of the season. Stoke have already said he's going on a free transfer end of season so would imagine being local he'll be on our radar. Would think he would want too much wages per week! he's on about £35k a week at Stoke and won't he be about 35 in summer? and be after his last big pay packet! Pity we didn't sign Odemwingie when he was on trial with us under O'Leary around 2002! could have signed him for just 200k when he was 22 Rather we went for a promising younger striker! Edited March 18, 2016 by Villan4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Villan4Life said: Would think he would want too much wages per week! he's on about £35k a week at Stoke and won't he be about 35 in summer? and be after his last big pay packet! Pity we didn't sign Odemwingie when he was on trial with us under O'Leary around 2002! could have signed him for just 200k when he was 22 Rather we went for a promising younger striker! Fair enough....Dwight Gayle it is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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