Paul33 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Brilliant news ..... we only have half a dozen players who can last a game. Most start fading after ten minutes and are completely knackered by 60 minutes.Gabby can either do one or - hopefully - knuckle down and get back the fitness he needs because he looks like a fat **** and plays like a fat **** ..... would love to see him shed some pounds and rediscover the pace that commentators still talk about but which went missing years ago ! PS: Perfectly summed up by KMac declaring Traore is "fatigued" when he's only played about half an hour in the entire season so far and spent most of that on his ass !!! Edited November 3, 2015 by Paul33 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If Paul McGrath was asked to train harder and refused due to he knew his body, would he have been a disgrace? Yes but you are the one presuming this thing about their physical limit. Collins was 27 at the time.My point is more about Dunne, but being 27 doesn't mean he doesn't have limits. What ever was introduced and how it was introduced last time didn't work. Hopefully it has a more positive effect under Garde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Brilliant news ..... we only have half a dozen players who can last a game. Most start fading after ten minutes and are completely knackered by 60 minutes.Gabby can either do one or - hopefully - knuckle down and get back the fitness he needs because he looks like a fat **** and plays like a fat **** ..... would love to see him shed some pounds and rediscover the pace that commentators still talk about but which went missing years ago ! To be fair to Gabby he's possibly been suffering from Couvade syndrome (sympathetic pregnancy) for the last couple of years.Would explain a lot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted November 3, 2015 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2015 I always thought it was a bit daft what happened with them. Dunne and Collins are two experienced players who performed brilliantly the season before. I think with some players, especially older ones, they know they're bodies they know what to do. Houllier and his back room staff really managed to destroy what was a solid defence in a short time. Hopefully him returning with Garde will have a more positive effect this time round.Two of the most unprofessional players we've had in recent years, at times they were a disgrace. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Let's hope it (his appointment) is good news. Let's hope it doesn't cause more problems than it intends to solve. Edited November 3, 2015 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 When a team is languishing at the bottom of the league, there is usually a very good reason....I have felt for some time that BMH could actually be,BHC....Butlins Holiday Camp.They can't last a game and the miles covered stats are embarrassing, contrary to what some think, this team don't work....their running off the ball is lazy.i was expecting big things from the new BMH....it seems we did better with the old set up.....perhaps they thought the new training ground would do it for themwelcome Robert kick some ass.....you can't make it worse than it is.....rattle the cage as much as you like or they will get you sacked, get in first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If Paul McGrath was asked to train harder and refused due to he knew his body, would he have been a disgrace? Yes but you are the one presuming this thing about their physical limit. Collins was 27 at the time.My point is more about Dunne, but being 27 doesn't mean he doesn't have limits. What ever was introduced and how it was introduced last time didn't work. Hopefully it has a more positive effect under Garde.McGrath had dodgy knees test needed resting Dunne was a tank that couldn't be bothered. It did actually work eventually and would've worked sooner if the older pro's led by Dunne bought into it!! Luckily this time it's a mainly youthful squad he could reap the benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted November 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Let's hope it (his appointment) is good news. Let's hope it doesn't cause more problems than it intends to solve.I don't see it causing any issues. When he was here previously as has been alluded to there were perhaps a number of disruptive influences too set in their ways.I think in the main the attitude of the players is fine in terms of the work rate certainly during games. Aside from Lescott, Hutton and perhaps Gabby we don't really have any potentially old school set in their ways British players and Lescott has played under a number of foreign coaches before and Hutton has played abroad.At the end of the day we are really struggling so something needs to change and if any player isn't willing to go along with that then they need to be shipped out or frozen out. We don't have time for players throwing their toys out of the pram unwilling to change. Edited November 3, 2015 by markavfc40 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Let's hope it (his appointment) is good news. Let's hope it doesn't cause more problems than it intends to solve.I don't see it causing any issues. When he was here previously as has been alluded to there were perhaps a number of disruptive influences too set in their ways.The narrative was that it was just that and nothing else. God knows what it was. I don't know and I don't care now.If he works out then great. If he doesn't then I'll be a tad annoyed.I'm certainly not going to get involved with the 'god knows we've just got to make the workshy bastards train harder' clamour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If Paul McGrath was asked to train harder and refused due to he knew his body, would he have been a disgrace?Yes but you are the one presuming this thing about their physical limit. Collins was 27 at the time.Collins has never been 27 years old in his life. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Im really pleased with this, didn't know he was one of the coaches we were after. Perhaps he can get Grealish to stop drinking while the season is on as has been alluded to before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Welcome back Robert!You have a big part to play in keeping us up alongside Remi. Both you and the players will need to hit the ground running. Bon chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted November 3, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Collins and Dunne were nearly as bad as Warnock Edited November 3, 2015 by MikeMcKenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 At the end of last season we had Delph and Cleverley closing down everything that moved. We lack those types of players at the moment apart from Gana, who tires late in games so the coaching team will have to work hard on the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Remember Petrov when Duverne was around: "My next level of fitness is dying" Sounds like exactly what we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 If Paul McGrath was asked to train harder and refused due to he knew his body, would he have been a disgrace? Yes but you are the one presuming this thing about their physical limit. Collins was 27 at the time.My point is more about Dunne, but being 27 doesn't mean he doesn't have limits. What ever was introduced and how it was introduced last time didn't work. Hopefully it has a more positive effect under Garde.Okay, he has limits because he's human, but the guy's still playing top-flight football more than half a decade later, having played for tough fitness-first managers like Allardyce, I really don't think he was close to breaking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) I remember sad but specific things about Duverne, he was very regimented in the pre-match warm ups, no-one was pissing about. Our recent coaches have been lax to the point some of the players don't even bother with the warm ups and I've always compared it to when Duverne was here, he expects high standards and rightfully so. I think the two week break for us has come at the right time for Garde and coaches. Edited November 4, 2015 by SikhInTrinity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) I remember sad but specific things about Duverne, he was very regimented in the pre-match warm ups, no-one was pissing about. Our recent coaches have been lax to the point some of the players don't even bother with the warm ups and I've always compared it to when Duverne was here, he expects high standards and rightfully so. I think the two week break for us has come at the right time for Garde and coaches.hallelujah.....I have felt discipline has been one of our downfalls.....it focuses the mind too. Edited November 4, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's almost like we're going back to what we tried to do under Houllier - hopefully it'll work this time but I'm concerned about the possibility of negative attitudes from some of our more laid back British players like Gabby, Richards and Lescott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) If Paul McGrath was asked to train harder and refused due to he knew his body, would he have been a disgrace? Yes but you are the one presuming this thing about their physical limit. Collins was 27 at the time.My point is more about Dunne, but being 27 doesn't mean he doesn't have limits. What ever was introduced and how it was introduced last time didn't work. Hopefully it has a more positive effect under Garde.Being a professional athlete is about going past that limit, to be the best you can. It's no good after a few months saying it's too hard, its not good enough. Edited November 4, 2015 by AlwaysAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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