TRO Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 14:59, VillaCas said: This thread is absolutely mindblowing. Deckchairs and the Titanic come to mind!! I really don't understand what Garde is supposed to do Bunn - nowhere near good enough Richards - a liability Okore - OK Lescott - lacks ability, lacks heart Cissoko - second best Westwood - the definition of average Gana - OK Veretout - OK Gil - lightweight Bacuna - brainless Gabby - three years too late, three stone too heavy We're going to get a few more kickings yet No idea if Garde is good enough - I'll start to make a judgement when he has a chance to mould his own team rather than the shower of shite he has been handed so far I know where you are coming from and I can't disagree....I think there is a few OK's I'm in doubts with.....However when we are this bad, decent players get dragged in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 15:28, tonyh29 said: Sky had a list of stats today .. is it any coincidence that our players cover the least amount of ground per game than any team .. the implication being we aren't very fit .. ( I mentioned previously in this thread I thought our players looked leggy and tired ) of course it could just be the style Remi wants us to play , running around like a headless chicken doesn't automatically equate to be results (see Bournemouth) but one of the things Klopps teams Liverpool seem to have done is sacrifice flair and skill for playing high tempo and pressing the other team , and it worked quite effectively on Sunday work shy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 12 hours ago, Adbo9 said: Playing Devils advocate - was Garde targeting the right players or has he got as much pull as he thinks? As by all accounts, Doumbia knocked us back for less wedge at Newcastle....... Sometimes I feel its not as simplistic as "the board haven't backed him" - how do we know they haven't, they mite have been willing to stump plenty of money on the right lads, but if Garde cant talk them into signing - I'm not sure what the board can do - as is proven with Doumbia We are supposed to have a transfer committee. We needed players we had time to identify them and get it done before the last couple of days. Kharzi I think it is wanted to come but we were unwilling to pay the fee he's been involved in getting 4 pts for Sunderland through goals and assists. Debuchy seemed nailed on but Almstadt got involved apparently. You only have to look to players going to China to show they'll do anything for money. With a bit if will we would've got at least a couple in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, dn1982 said: We are supposed to have a transfer committee. We needed players we had time to identify them and get it done before the last couple of days. Kharzi I think it is wanted to come but we were unwilling to pay the fee he's been involved in getting 4 pts for Sunderland through goals and assists. Debuchy seemed nailed on but Almstadt got involved apparently. You only have to look to players going to China to show they'll do anything for money. With a bit if will we would've got at least a couple in. Quotes or guesswork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 10 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: Quotes or guesswork? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3434140/Aston-Villa-manager-Remi-Garde-reveals-frustrations-club-blocked-1million-loan-bid-Arsenal-defender-Mathieu-Debuchy.html Aston Villa manager Remi Garde reveals his frustrations as club blocked £1million loan bid for Arsenal defender Mathieu Debuchy Remi Garde clashed with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt over transfers Almstadt angry at his limited involvement in pursuit of Mathieu Debuchy Arsenal full-back Debuchy ended up joining Ligue 1 side Bordeaux on loan Likelihood of relegation to Championship increased difficulty of transfers Remi Garde’s frustrations in the transfer window can be revealed further after it emerged the Aston Villa manager clashed with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt over the transfer of Mathieu Debuchy. The Arsenal right-back was a target for Garde during January and it is understood talks were held between the two Frenchman at Bodymoor Heath with Arsene Wenger’s blessing in the middle of last month. Almstadt, though, is thought to have been angry at his limited role in negotiations and told Garde as such, prompting a riposte. In the end the deal did not progress because Villa’s financial team, including head of recruitment Paddy Riley, were reluctant to spend more than £1million on any loan fee and Garde prioritised bringing in a goalkeeper and striker, now known to be Lovre Kalinic and Seydou Doumbia. Almstadt denies there was a conflict over the prospective move for Debuchy, who ended up joining Bordeaux on loan. Garde has spoken publicly about his deep disappointment at failing to bring in any players during the winter window, having been promised funds to make signings upon his appointment in November. Garde believed an injection of fresh faces would reinvigorate his squad’s attempts to claw themselves to an unlikely position of safety, off the back of a three-match unbeaten sequence. But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 He'll walk after we've officially been relegated and I wouldn't blame him either. It appears we have employed an 'old school tie' network who will back each other before the manager everytime, even to the detriment of the club/playing staff. Dark(er) days ahead...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, KHV said: But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland. I reckon those losers would have come up with an excuse even if we won those games not to spend money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honest_bertie Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, theboyangel said: He'll walk after we've officially been relegated and I wouldn't blame him either. It appears we have employed an 'old school tie' network who will back each other before the manager everytime, even to the detriment of the club/playing staff. Dark(er) days ahead...... Unfortuantly I think this is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 24 minutes ago, KHV said: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3434140/Aston-Villa-manager-Remi-Garde-reveals-frustrations-club-blocked-1million-loan-bid-Arsenal-defender-Mathieu-Debuchy.html Aston Villa manager Remi Garde reveals his frustrations as club blocked £1million loan bid for Arsenal defender Mathieu Debuchy Remi Garde clashed with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt over transfers Almstadt angry at his limited involvement in pursuit of Mathieu Debuchy Arsenal full-back Debuchy ended up joining Ligue 1 side Bordeaux on loan Likelihood of relegation to Championship increased difficulty of transfers Remi Garde’s frustrations in the transfer window can be revealed further after it emerged the Aston Villa manager clashed with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt over the transfer of Mathieu Debuchy. The Arsenal right-back was a target for Garde during January and it is understood talks were held between the two Frenchman at Bodymoor Heath with Arsene Wenger’s blessing in the middle of last month. Almstadt, though, is thought to have been angry at his limited role in negotiations and told Garde as such, prompting a riposte. In the end the deal did not progress because Villa’s financial team, including head of recruitment Paddy Riley, were reluctant to spend more than £1million on any loan fee and Garde prioritised bringing in a goalkeeper and striker, now known to be Lovre Kalinic and Seydou Doumbia. Almstadt denies there was a conflict over the prospective move for Debuchy, who ended up joining Bordeaux on loan. Garde has spoken publicly about his deep disappointment at failing to bring in any players during the winter window, having been promised funds to make signings upon his appointment in November. Garde believed an injection of fresh faces would reinvigorate his squad’s attempts to claw themselves to an unlikely position of safety, off the back of a three-match unbeaten sequence. But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland. No quote. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I reckon those losers would have come up with an excuse even if we won those games not to spend money Totally, we would have been spun a line like this - we believe in this squad and its ability to retain premiership status..... blah blah blah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Totally, we would have been spun a line like this - we believe in this squad and its ability to retain premiership status..... blah blah blah Exactly i am not falling for that bullshit. We managed to get close to 19th had we got some new players who knows what could have happened. Its a absolute travesty. I will neevr forgive Lerner and Fox for that. I bring on the day for when this idiot leaves the club. Unfortunately it seems like there will be absolutely no takeover in place with all these appointments 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: No quote. Seriously, was just gonna say. Absolutely ridiculous journalism. People eat that shit up too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted February 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2016 I think that RM is a good manager, and I think he will become a very good manager. I also think that he is acting honorably in remaining manager. He will resign at the end of the season unless he sees hope or purpose in staying. Next season could be very scary indeed. Anyone know the stat for teams that have been relegated back to back from the Premier League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Anyone know the stat for teams that have been relegated back to back from the Premier League? I think only Swindon and Wolves have done that. Others have eventually dropped again but not back to back relegations. Edited February 18, 2016 by markavfc40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 we wont get back to back relegation but I be shocked if we are even close to challenging for the play-off positions next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Can't see him hanging about. Should try and bring Moyes or Pearson in for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Moyes Would never work here, especially under a transfer committee that doesn't know it's arse from it's elbow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Dreamt last night that Garde walked and we got Mark Hughes in. None of my previous dreams regarding Aston Villa have come true so make of that what you will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, Phumfeinz said: Dreamt last night that Garde walked and we got Mark Hughes in. None of my previous dreams regarding Aston Villa have come true so make of that what you will. ITK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted February 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2016 On 17/02/2016 at 10:29, markavfc40 said: Sherwood was poor this season but I don’t judge Garde against someone who was so poor he was sacked very early in the season. When taking everything into account – the squad, the amount of games we had left, what had gone before and I ask myself has Garde got the best out of this squad then for me I have to say no. He didn’t inherit a side completely cut adrift and with not many games to go and totally hopeless. He inherited a side that was 4 points from safety with 27 games to go. He didn’t inherited a side that was getting battered every week. He inherited a side that under Sherwood had only lost one game by more than 1 goal. We were losing games but we were not a million miles away from getting results. The players weren’t on their knees totally devoid of confidence they needed direction. Most fans I spoke to earlier in the season believed this was a squad that could compete it just lacked a decent manager. In fact some believed Sherwood wasn’t even worthy of being described as a manager. Most of your posting r.e: Garde is masquerading as well-reasoned pieces, but comes across as far too anti-Garde and far too pro-Sherwood. "He didn't inherit a side completely cut adrift... and totally hopeless. He didn't inherit a side that was getting battered every week. He inherited a side that under Sherwood had only lost one game by more than 1 goal." Of course he didn't inherit a side completely cut adrift, only 10 games of the season had been played. However, the same side had lost 8 of them. 8 out of 10! I'm not sure how we've managed to come to the conclusion that the side isn't totally hopeless when the entire season suggests otherwise. However, with absolutely zero additions to the team (in fact, a major loss in Amavi being injured), Garde's team has lost 7 in 15. People seem to focus a lot of energy on pointing out "records" as something important - they simply aren't. If we lost every game we've lost this season 10-0, we'd still be better off if we'd managed to turn some of those defeats into draws. Sherwood's complete ineptitude has left us too far off competing to stay in the league. If he had the same loss record as Garde, but only managed to get draws from the games he lost, we'd be at worst 5 points from safety. But it's not just this simplistic view that can be taken into account. Sherwood utilised Benteke brilliantly last season and had him taken away from him this time round - alongside with other fairly solid players like Delph and Vlaar. However, he had a summer working with the squad to try and get an idea implemented. A style of play. He achieved nothing at all. Garde has had to understand and evaluate the players all over again - and the alarming fact seems to be that some of them just aren't good enough - but, given he's working with the same crop, we currently look a lot more organised. The Liverpool defeat was humiliating in the application given but, again, we actually started the game looking pretty decent. No threat, but pretty comfortable. I agree that most fans thought this squad could compete and lacked a decent manager. I put myself in this boat but have now realised that, actually, it's incredibly unbalanced. I think some of the players are pretty decent but we don't have the players/positions to get the best of out of squad on the whole. You ask yourself "has Garde got the best out of this squad then for me I have to say no" - what were you expecting to happen? What did you think the same squad that lost 8 out of 10 games then lost Amavi to injury (and had to replace with Richardson) were going to achieve? Relegation was always going to be a huge possibility after that start. It's disappointing that we haven't won more games under Garde, I agree, and it's also incredibly disappointing to see our defensive players make the same mistakes over and over. However, this isn't a team with goals in it. The best we could hope for was to become more solid and try to grind out some wins. Under Garde, I feel this is more of a possibility than it has been under any of our recent managers. Miracle worker? No. Best manager in the league? No. Huge failure? No. What he is, for me, is exactly the kind of manager we need. Someone who identifies weaknesses easily and has a clear idea of how he wants his team to play. He's the kind of manager who will shape a team to his requirements (given board backing, lolz) and demand his players act responsibly. Is it worth sacking him to go through all this all over again? Absolutely not. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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