DeHavilland Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Villa are only second to Everton for longevity in the top flight Leeds Forest and Sheffield don't even come close ... come to that neither do Man City or Chelsea Edited February 2, 2016 by DeHavilland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Walk before this club breaks you man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Problem is though that whatever the history of all those clubs there was never the huge money on offer that there will be next season, the season which AVFC will miss out on it. So those clubs will now move ahead of us. Many are expanding stadiums too, and it will be a long tough road back now even with the right ownership and infrastructure at the club. Fact is we do not have the right ownership etc at the club they want out and to run everything on a "no risk-no loss never mind the football" basis until they leave. The only way forward is if Lerner sells and then it's an unknown as to who buys us so i think it's impossible to know what the future holds but it looks bleak unless we are lucky enough to get ambitious new owners, who maybe fancy a crack at developing Aston Man City style or at least have the financial clout to bring their ambition to fruition... Not exactly promising is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just now, danceoftheshamen said: Problem is though that whatever the history of all those clubs there was never the huge money on offer that there will be next season, the season which AVFC will miss out on it. So those clubs will now move ahead of us. Many are expanding stadiums too, and it will be a long tough road back now even with the right ownership and infrastructure at the club. Fact is we do not have the right ownership etc at the club they want out and to run everything on a "no risk-no loss never mind the football" basis until they leave. The only way forward is if Lerner sells and then it's an unknown as to who buys us so i think it's impossible to know what the future holds but it looks bleak unless we are lucky enough to get ambitious new owners, who maybe fancy a crack at developing Aston Man City style or at least have the financial clout to bring their ambition to fruition... Not exactly promising is it? The gulf has been vast for a long time. You only need to look at the current league table to see that it doesn't *really* matter. Once you're up you're in the game, that will never change. Getting up is a whole other matter, though we do have the parachute payments on our side for a couple of years. We will need to take advantage while we are on the high side of an un-level playing field. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: The gulf has been vast for a long time. You only need to look at the current league table to see that it doesn't *really* matter. Once you're up you're in the game, that will never change. Getting up is a whole other matter, though we do have the parachute payments on our side for a couple of years. We will need to take advantage while we are on the high side of an un-level playing field. Very true DDID, I hadn't thought about it quite like that i admit and you're right, we will be competing against Championship teams + 2 other relegated teams in the same boat as us. Maybe the fact those teams have spent big trying to stay up this window will count against them next season as they will have to downsize more than we do? My only concern with that is Lerner! He will surely find new ways to disappoint and despite those teams spending more than us this window we will still downsize more and spend less than them regardless. That appears to be the Lerner way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Your concern is the same as mine. If they won't gamble £8m on us staying up, what price to get us promoted again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 3 hours ago, briny_ear said: Of course he's spoke to someone off the record! These stories don't just spring from nowhere. I take it you're not familiar with the press then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Your concern is the same as mine. If they won't gamble £8m on us staying up, what price to get us promoted again? My biggest fear is they will repeat what they did this season and sell our talented players to generate cash (sustainable). We will end up with a completely new (cheap) team, which will struggle to gel and match expectations, and then the excuses will follow. I really do not want Hollis appointing a manager, I do not believe he has the ambition or nous to make the proper appointment. I really hope Garde stays and is financially backed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hypothesis 1: Bigger clubs do not, in fact, generally struggle in the Championship. In fact, bigger clubs do better than smaller clubs in the Championship. Hypothesis 2: Stadium capacity is a reasonable proxy for 'size of club', accepting that there are bigger clubs with smaller stadia (QPR) and vice versa (Coventry) but that these generally even out. Hypothesis 3: Generally speaking in the Championship, teams with bigger stadia finish higher in the league table. Results: 2007/08 Promoted Av: 26,725 Top Half Av: 26,231 Bottom Half Av: 23,867 Relegated Av: 17,200 2008/09 Promoted Av: 27,706 Top Half Av: 26,627 Bottom Half Av: 25,364 Relegated Av: 28,875 2009/10 Promoted Av: 31,979 Top Half Av: 27,793 Bottom Half Av: 24,218 Relegated Av: 24,517 2010/11 Promoted Av: 22,136 Top Half Av: 27,360 Bottom Half Av: 23,386 Relegated Av: 21,764 2011/12 Promoted Av: 30,670 Top Half Av: 29,233 Bottom Half Av: 23,845 Relegated Av: 22,810 2012/13 Promoted Av: 27,980 Top Half Av: 28,327 Bottom Half Av: 26,624 Relegated Av: 19,811 2013/14 Promoted Av: 24,067 Top Half Av: 27,019 Bottom Half Av: 24,654 Relegated Av: 15,968 2014/15 Promoted Av: 19,991 Top Half Av: 27,075 Bottom Half Av: 26,460 Relegated Av: 20,640 Analysis: Teams that finished in the top half have bigger stadia than those in the bottom half, every season. Because of much smaller samples, promoted teams have a smaller average fairly regularly - being a small club is not a barrier to promotion (see Burnley / QPR / Bournemouth) Really small clubs get relegated, generally quite quickly (Scunthorpe / Colchester / Yeovil) The data doesn't support the idea that the Championship is harder for bigger clubs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I like Remi garde, and I want him to stay to help spur a Villa revival. But I admit that I'd also take great pleasure in him quitting before the game today, and really giving the brass an earful. Embarrass them until they piss themselves with shame, the words removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, maqroll said: I like Remi garde, and I want him to stay to help spur a Villa revival. But I admit that I'd also take great pleasure in him quitting before the game today, and really giving the brass an earful. Embarrass them until they piss themselves with shame, the words removed. No, I'd rather he stayed. They can be shamed later. Honestly, if he leaves I'm done with Villa this season. I'll tune in again next year to see what league we're in and take it from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: The gulf has been vast for a long time. You only need to look at the current league table to see that it doesn't *really* matter. Once you're up you're in the game, that will never change. Getting up is a whole other matter, though we do have the parachute payments on our side for a couple of years. We will need to take advantage while we are on the high side of an un-level playing field. Aye. But current form indicates Lerner will want to keep that money rather than spend our way back into the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 i hear hes on about walking because the board did not back him in the transfer window and apparanly they went back on their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: i hear hes on about walking because the board did not back him in the transfer window and apparanly they went back on their word. And sleep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincenzo Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If Remi Garde left those knobs still wouldn't think they were at fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I hope he walks after the west ham game, then it really will get sour on those idiots fox, Lerner, Hollis and the rest of them. They are all pathetic liars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 He might as well just play the under 21s for the rest of the season now, if the board aren't bothered why should he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 after the west ham game.. remi could resign & say he has took this team as far as he can. i would not blame the man if he does,if he stays no matter how you coat it,history books will say RG was the manager who was the manager when villa were relegated,its not something you want on your cv is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I've only just seen his quotes about the transfer window. I can only hope that it was kind of lost in translation. Garde was the only reason I thought we had a chance of coming straight back up but now I fully expect him to walk at the end of the season and fully justified it will be as well. What a shockingly run club. There are no excuses for not signing players. Teams at the bottom of league manage it all the time but instead we just give up. The arrogance that appears to be emanating from the board is nauseating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 7 hours ago, Mantis said: Yes. What, you don't think saying we're going to be "lost forever" is hyperbole? Wow, you really wanted to do that conversation again ? We only had it the night before !! I thought you'd just read that and think " oh thank God we aren't doing all that again", hence the smiley. Anyway, since you ask, you can find a comprehensive discourse on my views from the night before, with your good self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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