JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Ashley Cole, Joe Cole, Lescott, Senderos and Richardson would all be good signings if it was 2005/06 True, but Senderos baffles me, as he was actually quite good before his injury and exile! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 2 hours ago, romavillan said: Cole looked completely disinterested with Roma, not entirely sure that would be a stroke of genius. Rather we spent money on a young left back with talent that will be good at Championship level to help us back up quickly This is the key point. People who talk about how amazing Cole will be need to remember that he appeared to totally lose interest in football about 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is the key point. People who talk about how amazing Cole will be need to remember that he appeared to totally lose interest in football about 2 years ago. You could say the same about Richards in Italy too, but he has come back quite strongly with us. I know he is a lot younger than Cole, but it seems that English players often have a dalliance with a foreign league and it goes badly very quick, largely because of the language issue as well as others. For me it's solely a case of whether he is fit enough, and if he is then it's a bit of a no-brainer until Amavi gets himself fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2015 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: You could say the same about Richards in Italy too, but he has come back quite strongly with us. I know he is a lot younger than Cole, but it seems that English players often have a dalliance with a foreign league and it goes badly very quick, largely because of the language issue as well as others. For me it's solely a case of whether he is fit enough, and if he is then it's a bit of a no-brainer until Amavi gets himself fit. I was going to say that. Maybe he just didn't settle in Italy. Remember THAT photo? If you're miserable then you own't be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 could the apparent disinterest have been struggling to adapt to life in Italy? We see the inverse situation happen all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Quote – Aston Villa and Everton will battle Manchester United for former Red Devils defender Nemanja Vidic with Inter Milan set to grant him a free transfer in January (Corriere dello Sport) Quote http://www.teamtalk.com/news/rumour-mill-united-want-vidic-back-diawara-snub-for-chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Will we ****. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: This is the key point. People who talk about how amazing Cole will be need to remember that he appeared to totally lose interest in football about 2 years ago. My first reaction is that he's looking for his last contract. Close out his career, phoning in pretty poor performances for a poor PL team. Two year contract. Doesn't matter if he plays well. Few extra pounds for another house somewhere, or some business interest. Has won everything in the game. Has nothing to prove. 35 next week. The other point of view is that he's a born-competitor. Has won everything in the game, but does he still have the drive? You can't imagine he has. Why would he have any real interest in keeping Villa up, once he has his contract. Yeah there might be a bonus if we stay up, but meh. He's not exactly stuck for cash, and keeping us up seems like a lot of work. Will he look at the possibility of keeping us up as his final big achievement in the game? No. If the last two years of his career have been pretty null and Roma haven't played him for 9 months, then you'd have to fear it's over for him. And yet we're talking to him and he's telling us the opposite. Sure Ashley, point to prove, gotcha, management aspirations, right, always wanted to play for a relegation threatened side, 50k a week, two year contract. Bargain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Vidic great player in his day but if you think Lescott is slow then Vidic will make him look like Richards in pace department 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 13 minutes ago, YLN said: My first reaction is that he's looking for his last contract. Close out his career, phoning in pretty poor performances for a poor PL team. Two year contract. Doesn't matter if he plays well. Few extra pounds for another house somewhere, or some business interest. Has won everything in the game. Has nothing to prove. 35 next week. The other point of view is that he's a born-competitor. Has won everything in the game, but does he still have the drive? You can't imagine he has. Why would he have any real interest in keeping Villa up, once he has his contract. Yeah there might be a bonus if we stay up, but meh. He's not exactly stuck for cash, and keeping us up seems like a lot of work. Will he look at the possibility of keeping us up as his final big achievement in the game? No. If the last two years of his career have been pretty null and Roma haven't played him for 9 months, then you'd have to fear it's over for him. And yet we're talking to him and he's telling us the opposite. Sure Ashley, point to prove, gotcha, management aspirations, right, always wanted to play for a relegation threatened side, 50k a week, two year contract. Bargain. Yes, this. There's also question marks around his fitness. Okay, the Christmas rush will be over, but I doubt we'd see him in more than half of the twenty remaining games this season . . . at 35 he just is going to pick up niggles and strains. I mean, whatever I guess, it's not my money (or mostly not, anyway) but it just seems like a waste to me. There must be a left back somewhere we could loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigy1874 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 44 minutes ago, a m ole said: I think Ashley Cole would be an absolutely brilliant signing. If he's lost a little bit of pace he'll still be faster than most options available to us, he's won the champions league and has proved he can perform under the highest pressure, is calm, intelligent, and at his prime was described by many as the best left back in the world. I also imagine he could be a calming, positive influence on Clark or Okore if he gets to play left of centre. If we are really turning our noses up to him, who else are we going to sign? This is the villa fan way. Aww we dont want cole, he is shite. Then we sign nobody and they moan as Richardson is shite. It's annoying being a villa fan sometimes. Is he better than what we currently have yes. Are we in a dire position, yes. GET HIM IN! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Even if he is just looking for a pay day, he's a very good player and at 70% still better than what we have and not as much of a risk as getting a potentially good player who will then have to compete with Amavi in six months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 2 minutes ago, Craigy1874 said: This is the villa fan way. Aww we dont want cole, he is shite. Then we sign nobody and they moan as Richardson is shite. It's annoying being a villa fan sometimes. Is he better than what we currently have yes. Are we in a dire position, yes. GET HIM IN! But the question isn't 'is he better than Richardson'. Probably yes, although having not seen him play competitively for two years, who knows. The question is 'is he better than any other plausible alternative'. That's a harder barrier to clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I dont think Cole is better than Richardson at the moment, we havent seen him play since March and last game I saw him in was absolute torn to shreds granted Bayern were on fire but the old Cole wouldnt have allowed most of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincenzo Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Beggar can't be chosers and yes I'm afraid we're beggars Hope he can do a job for us. At 75% of his ability he's still better than what we currently have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 26 minutes ago, Craigy1874 said: This is the villa fan way. Aww we dont want cole, he is shite. Then we sign nobody and they moan as Richardson is shite. It's annoying being a villa fan sometimes. Is he better than what we currently have yes. Are we in a dire position, yes. GET HIM IN! Spot on! The only question we should ask is are they an improvement on what we have. I don't care about next season we have half a season to to go and we have to gamble to stay up. We have a squad for the long term we need a team for the short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 11, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2015 Just now, dn1982 said: Spot on! The only question we should ask is are they an improvement on what we have. I don't care about next season we have half a season to to go and we have to gamble to stay up. We have a squad for the long term we need a team for the short. Not really. What if someone like, I dunno, Kolarov was available (I know he isn't, bear with me) and we were still going for Cole? By your logic we'd just stick with Cole. Whereas Hanoi is pointing out further up that some people would be saying "erm, Cole might be better than Richardson, but wouldn't Kolarov be a better signing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Can we put Senderos back in the squad over January? Never thought I'd miss the man. Cole would be an improvement on Richardson but we also have Cissokho and Crespo who can play LB. I'm not opposed to him coming here but I think any money should go toward a striker first and foremost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Senderos is better than most of the centre halves we have. Cissokho simply has to be recalled as well, he's a solid player who can defend quite well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 So far linked with Cole and Vidic, ridiculous. If the January plan is to sign players in their mid 30's who have been crap the last two years then I'm afraid we are not going anywhere fast. What's Robert Pires up to these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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