fightoffyour Posted July 24 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, AJ said: Just to be controversial, I actually hold a very conservative view on gun control and gun ownership. I believe that citizens should be denied the right to bear arms. They just can't be responsible enough, and society suffers for it. Or, at least, it should be made very difficult for everyday citizens to own guns. A thorough medical and criminal background check, and a very good reason to own one should be a basic start. Also, none of this semi auto, automatic bullshit, and pistols a big no no. I don't care what those pinko, tree hugging, kumbayah singing, Trump loving, redneck so called right wingers think. The citizens are wrong, and they need to be controlled. It's been deemed that people aren't responsible enough to handle bottle caps let alone guns, so I don't find this particularly controversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 hours ago, fightoffyour said: It's been deemed that people aren't responsible enough to handle bottle caps let alone guns, so I don't find this particularly controversial. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Schools back this week and didn't take long for the first mass shooting. Apparently a 14 year old shooter who is still alive and in custody, at least 4 dead including 1 teacher, many more in hospital. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c897430zx4zt Four people have died and nine others are injured after a gunman opened fire at Apalachee High School in the US state of Georgia One person has been arrested, authorities confirm Police say students are being reunited with their families after the "evil" attack The school is located about 45 miles (72km) north-east of the state capital, Atlanta US President Joe Biden says he is "mourning the deaths of those whose lives were cut short due to more senseless gun violence" Edited September 4 by LakotaDakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said: Schools back this week and didn't take long for the first mass shooting. Apparently a 14 year old shooter who is still alive and in custody, at least 4 dead including 1 teacher, many more in hospital. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c897430zx4zt Thoughts and prayers incoming. I know most of us got bored ages ago with all these stories but I was in that area a couple of months ago and spent time talking with the kids of friends over there about how often they have to go through active shooter drills. They’re not even teens yet and they fully expect to go through a real scenario at some point before they finish school. It really is just madness that it’s allowed to continue. Edited September 4 by choffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 29 minutes ago, choffer said: Thoughts and prayers incoming. I know most of us got bored ages ago with all these stories but I was in that area a couple of months ago and spent time talking with the kids of friends over there about how often they have to go through active shooter drills. They’re not even teens yet and they fully expect to go through a real scenario at some point before they finish school. It really is just madness that it’s allowed to continue. Agree. It’s absolute insanity and further reinforces my choosing to never have kids. As for allowing it to continue, short of a 100% removal of guns, which I would be 100% happy with, how do we stop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: Agree. It’s absolute insanity and further reinforces my choosing to never have kids. As for allowing it to continue, short of a 100% removal of guns, which I would be 100% happy with, how do we stop it? You can't. That genie left the bottle long ago. The wild frontier, cowboys and Indians, and the lone hero with a six-shooter, it's embedded inextricably in the national psyche. Whereas in Europe, we got all that stuff out of our system in the middle ages, with swords and spears. Edited September 4 by mjmooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 might not even be the end of it for the day, apparently the school received a call this morning saying that there would be shootings at 5 schools and that they were first. imagine every other school in the area is on high alert but there really isn't a great deal you can do if someone decides that today is the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 You have to start somewhere. I'm not clued up on it but aren't all the legally purchased weapons bought on a license? Couldn't they make guns illegal and require everyone to hand their guns in, knowing who has bought them on a license? Then prosecute anyone found to be illegally holding a gun, or even go house to house searching for them with scanners?! Just reading that back even seems crazy and unfeasible, but surely something has to be done at some point. Something that will take a generation to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: You can't. That genie left the bottle long ago. The wild frontier, cowboys and Indians, and the lone hero with a six-shooter, it's embedded inextricably in the national psyche. Whereas in Europe, we got all that stuff out of our system in the middle ages, with swords and spears. Exactly, alas But even with guns out of the equation it would take all sorts of restrictions on “freedom” that an overwhelming amount of Americans won’t abide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 17 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: As for allowing it to continue, short of a 100% removal of guns, which I would be 100% happy with, how do we stop it? It would be like tobacco control. You do it slowly over time. Removing advertising of guns, removing them from sports stores, controlling who can own one, how/where you have to store them, what type of guns are available, etc. It would take around 50 years but eventually you'd have some decent gun control. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, villarule123 said: You have to start somewhere. I'm not clued up on it but aren't all the legally purchased weapons bought on a license? Couldn't they make guns illegal and require everyone to hand their guns in, knowing who has bought them on a license? Then prosecute anyone found to be illegally holding a gun, or even go house to house searching for them with scanners?! Just reading that back even seems crazy and unfeasible, but surely something has to be done at some point. Something that will take a generation to fix. That there line of thinking is why so many of these freaks own guns to begin with ^^^ With millions here adhering to the above motto it would be a bloodbath. Which is the wet dream for so many of the gun nuts Edited September 4 by Nor-Cal Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, Nor-Cal Villan said: That there line of thinking is why so many of these freaks own guns to begin with ^^^ With millions here adhering to the above motto it would be a bloodbath. Which is the wet dream for so many of the gun nuts Well it could be a slow process. Banning assault rifles would be a good start. Most of the mass shootings are done using one, there is no need whatsoever for anyone in the public to own one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Just now, villarule123 said: Well it could be a slow process. Banning assault rifles would be a good start. Most of the mass shootings are done using one, there is no need whatsoever for anyone in the public to own one. Trust me, I agree with you, completely. It’s the getting it implemented part of which I am pessimistic. We already had one ban on assault rifles which was of course repealed. At the end of the day, there are millions and millions here who believe that the only freedom that matters is the one granted by an erroneous interpretation of the 2nd Amendment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 It's a hopeless situation. Any attempt of a solution would probably kick-start a civil war. There would be assassination attempts against any president that tries to ban them within days. I can fantasize that there will be a solution to it, but it'll never happen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakotaDakota Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Shooter named as 14 year old student Colt Gray, Rather unfortunate name for a shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 40 minutes ago, villarule123 said: It's a hopeless situation. Any attempt of a solution would probably kick-start a civil war. There would be assassination attempts against any president that tries to ban them within days. I can fantasize that there will be a solution to it, but it'll never happen in my lifetime. A given since so many have lived their lives planning for/fantasizing about such a moment Imagine the overwhelming majority of law enforcement would refuse to carry out any orders to confiscate guns from the public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 If they're not going to ban them a quick win would be to have a local armoury in every town. You could take your rifle out to go to a shooting club, or organized hunt, but the police would be informed and you wouldn't be able to take your weapon unless accompanied by someone else going on the activity. Less chance of these lone wolf style killings then. I don't see a downside to banning them though. It's simply demented that they use the excuse it's to repel invaders or the government. If the government was after you you'd be taken out by trained specialists no matter how many rifles you have. Hunting is nuts too. You can buy good quality meat anywhere without killing anything yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 4 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4 20 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: If they're not going to ban them a quick win would be to have a local armoury in every town. You could take your rifle out to go to a shooting club, or organized hunt, but the police would be informed and you wouldn't be able to take your weapon unless accompanied by someone else going on the activity. Less chance of these lone wolf style killings then. I don't see a downside to banning them though. It's simply demented that they use the excuse it's to repel invaders or the government. If the government was after you you'd be taken out by trained specialists no matter how many rifles you have. Hunting is nuts too. You can buy good quality meat anywhere without killing anything yourself. I think you have totally failed to understand the USA, there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 9 hours ago, LakotaDakota said: Shooter named as 14 year old student Colt Gray, Rather unfortunate name for a shooter I just read that he was quizzed last year about anonymous online threats to perform a school shooting. So it does look like a 13 year (or younger) had fantasised about killing a load of people at school and eventually carried it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 10 hours ago, villa89 said: It would be like tobacco control. You do it slowly over time. Removing advertising of guns, removing them from sports stores, controlling who can own one, how/where you have to store them, what type of guns are available, etc. It would take around 50 years but eventually you'd have some decent gun control. yep, all of that would whittle away the arguments as to why you need one in the first place if you think you need one to protect your family then you still don't need a military grade assault rifle with armour piercing rounds and extended magazines etc if you think you need one because lets face it you just like guns - and that includes ARs or grenade launchers or gattling guns or whatever you want - its at a controlled location, its not under your bed there's loads of things they can do, they just dont want to, there's loads of countries with gun owners, no country anywhere like the US personally i still believe that the country operates a system of control by fear, they've just moved on from the commies to "america's enemies" guns are only a part of the problem over there, the whole mentality and culture needs to shift too, imagine going down tesco and thinking you need to carry a gun just in case one of the UK's enemies pops in and you need to protect your country or you lie in bed at night and think you need a gun close in case a murderer breaks in to your house and you need to protect your family....we simply dont live in that fear...mainly because we're not absolutely **** mental 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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