bickster Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Straggler said: I just had a moment reading back at my last post realizing that there is 11% support for less strict gun regulation. I'm not sure how this is possible without giving them away with happy meals. I mean, they were already being given away as an incentive to have your covid jab. The 11% probably think a person of colour should be regarded as legitimate target practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Straggler said: I've not really been talking about an amendment to the constitution at this stage as I don't think it is remotely possible. I'm really looking for the baby steps that can pave the way towards such an amendment. I'm referencing more the popular support of the general population for some gun ownership regulation beyond what it is at the moment. I don't think evidence exists for constitutional amendment support of 75% of states, the country is way too partizan for that right now. I'm pretty sure a sane debate about gun regulation is impossible. It's an interesting thought process though, and I imagine you are right about how the states voting numbers might break down. For reference, the stats that I was referring to are below. The big problem with broad questions like this one is that stricter can include everything from banning guns completely to stopping shops from selling them on a Sunday. A consensus on what should be done next is harder to come by (see Brexit). Gallup Important here to note that what is popular has very little influence on what happens in America, a country with more veto points than any other democracy. The most important veto point here is that even if a completely blue state (California, Massachusetts, Hawaii, whatever) passed stricter gun control legislation, it would inevitably wind up being struck down by a Supreme Court with 6 conservative justices. There is nothing that can be done, it is completely futile. Just have to live with the small-but-significantly-higher-than-comparable-countries risk of being killed by gunfire, and try to move to areas where there are fewer nutters and/or criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 7, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: is it? to me they do seem to lay it on thick with the enemies of america, not sure who it was pre war but take the commies and now terrorists, they love the idea of people coming for their freedom because they hate this great american way of life, ironically they're almost imprisoned by it and then lay it on even thicker with the idolisation of their military home and abroad fighting those enemies, which i also considered to be part of the problem, they are very vocal on identifying and celebrating those who fight them but very vague as to who those enemies actually are, how many shootings are completely misguided have a go heroes? they're taught that shit from a young age and we along with most of western or even modern countries arent It really is, yes. I agree with the second point, though. On the last one, not so sure. I don't think it's a bad thing to recognise the sacrifices and service of individuals who have served in their military. Which in my world is different to supporting whatever military (mis) adventures. Though I agree that the idea of have a go heroes bravely defending their patch of garden from marauding insurgents via possession of assault rifles is all a completely bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Straggler said: I just had a moment reading back at my last post realizing that there is 11% support for less strict gun regulation. I'm not sure how this is possible without giving them away with happy meals. I mean, they were already being given away as an incentive to have your covid jab. The gun laws vary state to state. Presumably some people in the stricter states wish their laws could be more like the relaxed states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 7 hours ago, LondonLax said: The gun laws vary state to state. Presumably some people in the stricter states wish their laws could be more like the relaxed states? In what way ? I thought that in some states you were allowed to shoot to kill but in other states you are only supposed to shoot to maime or cripple.I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, PussEKatt said: In what way ? I thought that in some states you were allowed to shoot to kill but in other states you are only supposed to shoot to maime or cripple.I could be wrong. You're correct. Gun laws are incredibly complicated and very significantly from state to state. Castle/"Stand your ground" laws are in some states and on the opposite end of the spectrum there are "excessive force" laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, KMitch said: on the opposite end of the spectrum there are "excessive force" laws. They're the ones where you're allowed to kill people, as long as you don't enjoy it too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 16 hours ago, mjmooney said: They're the ones where you're allowed to kill people, as long as you don't enjoy it too much. the ones that say 5 bullets was enough to kill him and the other 7 were taking the piss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I like the ones where you can jump in your car and go to another town and kill someone in self defence. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I like the ones where you can jump in your car and go to another town and kill someone in self defence. you even cross the state lines to be able to do it legally but i'm sure nobody would ever do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 At least 6 people dead apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 At least 8 dead according to reports. Apparently the shooter sent it live on Twitch and had also released some kind of white supremacist manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, sne said: At least 8 dead according to reports. Apparently the shooter sent it live on Twitch and had also released some kind of white supremacist manifesto. At least 9 confirmed dead so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Another racist slaughter. I'm pretty sure this is Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Gun violence in the USA is like Coronation St.Its never ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just saw the video, not pretty, but not too gory, but just insane. People out doing their daily shopping, just shot a few times random. Who are these people, glad he got caught anyway rather than killed himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2022 Evil little shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 15, 2022 They'd all have lived of they all took rifles shopping with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Chindie said: They'd all have lived of they all took rifles shopping with them. Reading the reports regarding this latest shooting, the shooter was already under supervision for threats to to do this and again what do they do in America A) stop him from buying guns B )stop him from buying any weapons and talk to him C ) Let him buy an array of semi automatic weapons and enough ammunition to wipe out a small town It's insane and incredibly sad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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