Popular Post chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it's interesting they mention Brown ... I remember posters on this forum howling with outrage saying it was all just a misunderstanding when Brown uttered his phrase in a bid to entice lost labour supporters back from the BNP .... there seemed to be a bit more to her speech than "name and shame " ( I haven't been watching and seen a lot of news of late but it sounded like they were words posed to her by a radio presenter rather than words she actually said ? ) she appeared to be saying we need to change the tide of public opinion on immigration in the wake of the vote to leave the EU and firms weren't training enough British workers ... in that regard it sounds like a sensible conversation to be having ? She actually campaigned to remain which doesn't suggest she is one of these ill informed people types either I can't say I'm overly bothered what Gordon Brown comparisons can be made. What she said, when confronted with words from her own speech quoted back at her, was that she didn't mean international companies, companies in the city that needed to celebrate how international they were with high income international staff. She clarified that what she meant was we need to know what small factories and businesses are employing foreigners, and why. This can only mean a gathering of information on your nationality and compiling a list and questioning shop owners and small businesses. Or, it's unworkable lies and disgusting scaremongering. I'm not suggesting they are suddenly all going to start wearing brown shirts and declaring kristallnacht. But what I'm seeing is some dangerous language that will only encourage the terminally moronic to think it is ok to throw stones to get their country back. Best of luck building houses next year if you can't employ a foreigner whilst there's an unemployed 'brit'. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Live from the tory conference 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted October 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2016 Truly astonishing stuff from May. If you're on low wages or unemployed, it's because of immigrants - your life has been sacrificed to the interests of others. This goes beyond the usual dog whistle hints and nudges, into direct, unambiguous racism. And then moments later says we will never let divisive nationalist drive us apart. Also references her speech of a few years ago, now calling Labour the "nasty party". Beyond irony. Dangerous. Fomenting hatred and resentment against immigrants while coming a lot of bollocks about the middle ground. Vile, shameful stuff. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Looks like we're getting our own Trump and Republican Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: I can't say I'm overly bothered what Gordon Brown comparisons can be made. What she said, when confronted with words from her own speech quoted back at her, was that she didn't mean international companies, companies in the city that needed to celebrate how international they were with high income international staff. She clarified that what she meant was we need to know what small factories and businesses are employing foreigners, and why. This can only mean a gathering of information on your nationality and compiling a list and questioning shop owners and small businesses. Or, it's unworkable lies and disgusting scaremongering. I'm not suggesting they are suddenly all going to start wearing brown shirts and declaring kristallnacht. But what I'm seeing is some dangerous language that will only encourage the terminally moronic to think it is ok to throw stones to get their country back. Best of luck building houses next year if you can't employ a foreigner whilst there's an unemployed 'brit'. Have you got a link to where she clarified what she meant ? Be interesting to see it as I've only got snippets so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Even the Torygraph is mocking the latest knee-jerk racism from the tory party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 @tonyh29 nah, it was on the radio, so these are my absolute science fact accurate verbatim rememberings but I guess it'll be on BBC iplayer at some point, it was Radio 4, about 8:30 ish, Nick Robinson interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 How does Rudd propose to publish the details of companies that don't reach the standards required? Some sort of updated version of a DTI report, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, chrisp65 said: @tonyh29 nah, it was on the radio, so these are my absolute science fact accurate verbatim rememberings but I guess it'll be on BBC iplayer at some point, it was Radio 4, about 8:30 ish, Nick Robinson interview Do I take that as a No then (ok ok I'll try and have a listen ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, tonyh29 said: Do I take that as a No then (ok ok I'll try and have a listen ) I'm so sad that I scribbled it down on a pad of paper, stood there in my kitchen, wearing nothing but a disapproving frown. I remember thinking 'right, Rudd you fascist bastard, this is going straight on VT, then we'll see who wins the future...' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Calling the Labour Party the nasty party , probably the truest words to have come out of conference all week wasn't keen on May but she seems to be getting on with the job , good move on the soldier thing the other day ... wonder how long before she gets knifed by the party though , suddenly Osborne seems to be back in the news a lot which can only mean internal plotting in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Quote HL Bill 57 Children and Social Work Bill Let's 'academise' social care for children. Parliamentary Documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Quote ...under proposals....businesses would have 'to be clear about the proportion of their workforce that is international'.... If I've misunderstood the need to draw up lists of where people are from, it would appear the famously anti tory Times did too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: If I've misunderstood the need to draw up lists of where people are from, it would appear the famously anti tory Times did too. I'm still not actually hearing her say those words ..the various snippets from conference don't have her saying it , heck I'm now reading through the entire text that I've found online and still haven't found it she does say British businesses have driven the economic recovery in this country, with employment at record levels. However we still need to do more … so all British people get the opportunities they need to get on in life. The test should ensure people coming here are filling gaps in the labour market, not taking jobs British people could do. But it’s become a tick box exercise, allowing some firms to get away with not training local people. We won’t win in the world if we don’t do more to upskill our own workforce. It’s not fair on companies doing the right thing. So I want us to look again at whether our immigration system provides the right incentives for businesses to invest in British workers the speech is the usual blah that people say at conference but I don't see her as frothing at the mouth lunatic ... but then I'm not from the side of VT that thinks Jeremy Corbyn has all the answers Edited October 5, 2016 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 5, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: I'm now reading through the entire text that I've found online and still haven't found it That's because it was handed out in written "briefing notes" provided by the tories to the media, at the end of her speech. And then she talked about it (apparently) on the radio. Quote Briefing notes after her speech also suggested they could be required to "be clear about the proportion of their workforce which is international", a practice which the Home Office says is standard in the US. Ms Rudd said the existing system did not give firms a "clear incentive" to properly consider the merits of local candidates or to spend more on training to equip them to do the jobs on offer. Asked whether she was prepared to "name and shame" companies which did not comply by publishing a breakdown of the nationality of their workforce, Ms Rudd told BBC Radio 4's Today it was "not something we are definitely going to do" but it was "one of the tools" under review "as a way of nudging people into better behaviour". While many companies were doing a great job employing local staff, she said there were firms "which are not so constructive and these are the ones we want to flush out" - citing one business she knew of where 80% of whose staff were from outside the UK. "There is still one in ten 18-24 year olds in the UK who are unemployed," she added. "I want businesses to think first about locally training people where possible... and work with us to deliver what we need to have which is a more skilled local labour force." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 ...but she's already looking like backing down because of the widespread derision and criticism her hare-brained ideas have attracted. What a shambles. Quote Proposals to force firms to reveal how many foreign workers they employ could be ditched, the Home Secretary said today — less than 24 hours after unveiling them. Amber Rudd also warned against shying away from a debate about immigration, adding “don’t call me a racist” for seeking to speak about it. But the foreign workers’ proposal, unveiled at the annual Tory rally in Birmingham, faced a backlash from business chiefs. One said it would make having a global workforce be seen as “a badge of shame”. Ms Rudd, pictured, said the proposal was part of a consultation which aimed to ensure firms are “thinking first” about hiring locally trained people. “It’s not something that we are definitely going to do, it’s one of the tools we are going to use as a review to see if we can use as a way of nudging people,” she told BBC radio. She also dismissed accusations that she was sanctioning a “form of racism” and encouraging people to say “go home, you are doing my job”. “We must not ignore the fact that people want to talk about immigration, and if we do talk about immigration don’t call me a racist,” she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 just so I'm clear about the "outrage here " Over something she didn't say , when asked about it she replied "it's not something we are definitely going to do but its one of the tools that's under review " has suddenly become policy and ditched with 24 hours Ok , glad that's been cleared up ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 5, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the "outrage here " Over something she didn't say , when asked about it she replied "it's not something we are definitely going to do but its one of the tools that's under review " It happens a lot, apparently. Minister or ministers staff have an idea, "float it" ( this time in writing in notes to the media, with the authority of the minister, in this case Rudd) and test the water. If it doesn't go down well they just say ..."never a plan, merely something under review." [If they're reviewing it, they're basically assessing it to see how effective/popular/costly etc. it is.] Why do you think they handed out this written briefing Tony? what do you think its purpose was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted October 5, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: just so I'm clear about the "outrage here " Over something she didn't say , when asked about it she replied "it's not something we are definitely going to do but its one of the tools that's under review " has suddenly become policy and ditched with 24 hours Ok , glad that's been cleared up ... Bit kind there. The 'outrage' is justified by its even been considered. If it was completely off the table, why was it in the briefing? If it was completely off the table, why say it was a tool they might consider? If it was off the table, why not use the numerous opportunities to say it was, instead of fudging it? The criticism is completely earned. As for May? Hardly a shocker she's come out with the crap she has. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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