Jareth Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 12 hours ago, ml1dch said: All the bit before the italics is, I think, nailed on. Not least because Farage has said that's what he plans to do. I've been saying so on these pages for yonks. It's the bit in italics which isn't right. "Doing a deal" isn't how this happens. This idea happens by some sort of convolted plan where Sunak, knowing that he's lost, says to Farage that once he (Sunak) has lost, the Reform Party owner gets to magically be in the Tories, (when Sunak has spend most of the last year trying to get rid of Farage-types from positions of power in the Tories), even though Sunak will be gone by then and won't have any control which toad-like like bell-ends are, or aren't admitted into the party. While in the meantime, the voters are supposed to know that this deal has happened so they all vote Tory and NOT for Farage. Meaning that all the hand-picked, non-Farage candidates that Sunak has put in place win their seats, meaning the Farage ideology is still the minority in the PCP. And while nobody would suggest that the Tory strategy is coherent, the above is stretching it a bit. The bit before the italics happens by hostile takeover, not merger. This happens by Farage sifting through the smoking, powerless ashes of a carpet-bombed and demoralised Tory party, taking the name and cultural heritage of the brand and pissing on the rest. I’m happy with that. My fear is Farage will say his party is standing down with a week to go (albeit they are still on the ballot) in order that the tories avoid wipe out - then after the tories avoid wipe out in he comes. But as said, VERY happy if the Tory annihilation is now unstoppable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 10 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Jareth said: I’m happy with that. My fear is Farage will say his party is standing down with a week to go (albeit they are still on the ballot) in order that the tories avoid wipe out - then after the tories avoid wipe out in he comes. But as said, VERY happy if the Tory annihilation is now unstoppable. My feeling if that happened is that it would tarnish both Farage and the tories (more than they already are/should be). I’ll step aside, let the tories salvage something. Tories still soundly beaten. Reform nowhere. So he’d be associated with two losing parties instead of one. And he’d also look like a bit of a deserter who disappeared at the crunch. And likewise the tories are then further associated with this fickle turncoat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: My feeling if that happened is that it would tarnish both Farage and the tories (more than they already are/should be). I’ll step aside, let the tories salvage something. Tories still soundly beaten. Reform nowhere. So he’d be associated with two losing parties instead of one. And he’d also look like a bit of a deserter who disappeared at the crunch. And likewise the tories are then further associated with this fickle turncoat. Yup. At this stage I don't see how telling all his minions to vote Tory helps him at all. It would also mean he's less likely to win his seat, and the whole thing relies on him being in the House of Commons. These crazies don't see any material difference between a Sunak government and a Starmer one. So whether Labour has a majority of 50 or 250, there's no benefit in "back the Tories after all so Labour doesn't have a massive majority". He doesn't care how big Starmer's majority is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 10 Moderator Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Jareth said: I’m happy with that. My fear is Farage will say his party is standing down with a week to go (albeit they are still on the ballot) in order that the tories avoid wipe out - then after the tories avoid wipe out in he comes. But as said, VERY happy if the Tory annihilation is now unstoppable. It won’t avoid the wipeout. People will still vote for the Reform candidates. Reform is fuelled as a protest vote, it would still be the same and if some of those candidates still got elected they’d still take their seats. Even if they didn’t take those seats, they’d have to resign and there’d be by-elections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Farage wants a tory wipe out- and then being in place to pick up the pieces. He is used to switching parties by now. If they get sub 25% of the vote and or less than 100 seats then anything could happen post election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 He still isn’t quite getting the hang of this “tell them why they should vote for you” malarkey link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markavfc40 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Of the 42 pledges in the Tories 2019 manifesto they have delivered 2. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted June 10 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10 57 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Of the 42 pledges in the Tories 2019 manifesto they have delivered 2. That’s more than I expected to be fair 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 hours ago, markavfc40 said: Of the 42 pledges in the Tories 2019 manifesto they have delivered 2. What were they out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 8 minutes ago, Genie said: What were they out of interest? 10 get Brexit done 20 goto 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 minute ago, picicata said: 10 get Brexit done It’s like the sha owners chalking down their relegation against the pledge of “get out the Championship” as a success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, picicata said: 10 get Brexit done 20 goto 10 Brexit isn't even done yet anyway so gonna need to bring that total down to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 The Tory’s want to cut tax for the self employed… clearly trying to claw back some Reform voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 12 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12 Sunak offering his contribution should they ever decide to update the Four Yorkshiremen sketch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rolta Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Gosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 That’s absolutely astonishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post desensitized43 Posted June 12 Popular Post Share Posted June 12 ITV have done him dirty by releasing that behind the scenes footage. You love to see it. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 How do they keep finding worse and worse leaders? It’s almost impressive that they are terrible in their own unique ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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