ml1dch Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jareth said: The end of the tories is accelerating if anything, surely there's a deal to be done with the anti Sunak tories and Labour to force a vote of no confidence I don't think so - there won't be enough anti-Sunak ones who are prepared to give up another year of MPs salary. Even the ones who are standing down at the next election (and therefore would have no issues voting against him if they wanted him out) would be chucking away £50k-80k in salary for a job that they can basically stop doing now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I don't think so - there won't be enough anti-Sunak ones who are prepared to give up another year of MPs salary. Even the ones who are standing down at the next election (and therefore would have no issues voting against him if they wanted him out) would be chucking away £50k-80k in salary for a job that they can basically stop doing now. They get a payment for losing their seat too don’t they? I guess they don’t get that if they do it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 The little exchange yesterday didn’t really get the gravitas it deserved. The PM announced a huge change in policy and then straight away the opposition told the nation “you can ignore that as we’ll reverse it next year when we can”. This is pretty extraordinary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Did anybody ask him what stopping heavy handed taxes on eating meat actually meant? It was so bizarre I think they actually got away with it to an extent in that people looked at it, and ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Did anybody ask him what stopping heavy handed taxes on eating meat actually meant? It was so bizarre I think they actually got away with it to an extent in that people looked at it, and ignored it. Think it's something to do with prostitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Did anybody ask him what stopping heavy handed taxes on eating meat actually meant? It was so bizarre I think they actually got away with it to an extent in that people looked at it, and ignored it. IF LABOUR GET IN THEY ARE GOING TO TAX YOU 90% UNLESS YOU’RE VEGAN AND DRIVE A BATTERY CAR. THEN GIVE ALL THE MONEY TO MIGRANTS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Genie said: We have 3 full sized wheelie bins, and a bag. Blue bag -> paper and card Blue bin -> all other recycling Green bin -> grass / garden waste Black bin -> everything else I don't see why this is all varies so much by locality. You'd think in a country as small as the UK we could standardise it nationally? Leeds has: Black bin: garbage Brown bin: garden waste Green bin: all recycling (paper, card, plastic, tin cans, etc.), no glass Glass is not collected, you have to take it to a bottle bank yourself. Meanwhile, just down the road in Bradford, it's... Green bin: garbage Black bin: recycling Blue bin: glass (Don't know about garden waste). Edited September 21, 2023 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 There's also some cynical shit going on as well like the triple lock needs to be sorted but they're leaving it till next year as they won't be in and the boomers will blame Labour again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, mjmooney said: I don't see why this is all varies so much by locality. You'd think in a country as small as the UK we could standardise it nationally? Leeds has: Black bin: garbage Brown bin: garden waste Green bin: all recycling (paper, card, plastic, tin cans, etc.), no glass Glass is not collected, you have to take it to a bottle bank yourself. Meanwhile, just down the road in Bradford, it's... Green bin: garbage Black bin: recycling Blue bin: glass (Don't know about garden waste). The government were supposed to be bringing in free garden waste collections for all this year. But obviously haven't given any councils funding for that so it's not happened and is on a council by council basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seat68 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Still going to pump shit into the rivers and seas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: The government were supposed to be bringing in free garden waste collections for all this year. But obviously haven't given any councils funding for that so it's not happened and is on a council by council basis. We pay £35 per year for the green bin (garden waste) to be collected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Genie said: The little exchange yesterday didn’t really get the gravitas it deserved. The PM announced a huge change in policy and then straight away the opposition told the nation “you can ignore that as we’ll reverse it next year when we can”. This is pretty extraordinary. I'm not so sure it is that extraordinary. Fairly sure it happened in the run up to 1997 and I'm also fairly sure Tories in opposition that didn't get elected have also done it. It only seems extraordinary because the entire country knows the government is going to change when the Tories call the next election. But Labour's response really should have been that the whole announcement was a con job as it would either make no difference at all or was never going to happen in the first place. Announcing that you're going to waste time reversing something that won't make any difference is pointless and in a way reinforces those people who it was aimed at to vote Tory. Pointing out that the whole things was utter bollocks and wouldn't make a jot of difference would have been the better approach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, bickster said: Announcing that you're going to waste time reversing something that won't make any difference is pointless and in a way reinforces those people who it was aimed at to vote Tory. What do you mean by this please? The initial reaction to the Tory announcement was that businesses were angry because they need stability and a change of policy was a disaster. Labour immediately stated the announcement should be ignored as it would be reversed next year so there’s no special action needed (or time wasted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Genie said: What do you mean by this please? Announcing that you're going to waste time reversing something that won't make any difference is pointless and in a way reinforces those people who it was aimed at to vote Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, bickster said: Announcing that you're going to waste time reversing something that won't make any difference is pointless and in a way reinforces those people who it was aimed at to vote Tory. How does it waste time? It tells people not to worry or react to the stupid Tory policy. Saying nothing and then reversing it next year would be far more damaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Genie said: How does it waste time? It tells people not to worry or react to the stupid Tory policy. Saying nothing and then reversing it next year would be far more damaging. There is no point wasting parliamentary time to reverse something that will have absolutely no effect on anything. The entire announcement is a con job. Changing the date to 2035 isn't going to mean anything to the automotive trade, as they said yesterday, they are all sticking to their plans, it's the same with Gas boilers. The rest of the announcement was stuff that was never ever going to happen, ever. Labour should be highlighting that and not saying they'll reverse it. Saying you'll reverse it entrenches opinions of those the fake policy was aimed at. Calling it out for what it is, saying there's no point reversing it because it'll have no effect anyway is the much better option at least the throbbers might think and you haven't put another barrier in the way of people voting Labour. Labour have fallen for a trap that wasn't even set. Labour's reaction was a kneejerk to say the opposite, when they really should just have called it out as bollocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, bickster said: when they really should just have called it out as bollocks It’s exactly what they did. If they’d have said “what a terrible policy by Sunak” and left it at that then industry and the media would be wanting to know their intentions. They saved everyone time and concern by immediately rubbishing the policy and confirming it would be overturned, all in 1 message. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s exactly what they did. If they’d have said “what a terrible policy by Sunak” and left it at that then industry and the media would be wanting to know their intentions. They saved everyone time and concern by immediately rubbishing the policy and confirming it would be overturned, all in 1 message. Job done. Its not a terrible policy, it's a non-policy, it changes absolutely nothing on a practical level, you really are missing the point and so are they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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