chrisp65 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Liberal elite Guardian Quote It is understood up to nine LSE academics specialising in EU affairs have been briefing the Foreign Office on Brexit issues, but the school was informed by a senior FCO official that submissions from non-UK citizens would no longer be accepted. The staff group concerned were then made aware of the instruction. One of the group is understood to be a dual national, with citizenship of both the UK and another EU member state. The Foreign Office was said to be concerned about the risk of sensitive material being exposed as article 50 negotiations over Britain’s exit from the EU – and subsequent talks on its future trade and other relations with the bloc – start to get under way. Foreign nationals and people with dual citizenship can't help the as they could be a security risk? I don't know if that's just a weird incompetent misunderstanding, or, I dunno I'm just going to stick with weird. There was a weak joke on Question Time last night that the government was going to need to employ massive numbers of foreign advisers and would then have to name and shame itself and flush itself out. Well they've got around that one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Foreign nationals and people with dual citizenship can't help the as they could be a security risk? Deeply ironic, given the wholly subservient position our governments have adopted towards the US over decades. Our rulers seem to be suspicious of Danish statisticians and Portuguese lawyers and Italian librarians, and completely relaxed about giving born-again American nutters control over our deceitfully misnamed "independent" nuclear "deterrent", and permission to spy on us in every aspect of our lives. Utterly, completely, barking mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 the vetting of foreign nationals working on sensitive material has always been in place has it not ? i suspect Hagemann could have spent her time more constructively than running to Twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the vetting of foreign nationals working on sensitive material has always been in place has it No, it hasn't. We allow the US privileged access to all sorts, allow them to do what they want, even give them control of our national security. We don't vet them. We just prostrate ourselves before them, like local chieftains in the face of an occupying power. You do know that, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 4 hours ago, blandy said: They're tories (and then they've nearly all caught UKIPitis). May appointed f-wits into key positions. Result f-wittage occurs. 'Idiots gonna idiot' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the vetting of foreign nationals working on sensitive material has always been in place has it not ? i suspect Hagemann could have spent her time more constructively than running to Twitter yea that's right, the foreign nationals that were already working for them were all found to be spies from a crack Danish sleeper cell of academics here to scupper our bacon export negotiations and they've been flushed out named and shamed the tories had a man on the inside on pork deals apparently Edited October 7, 2016 by chrisp65 missing s, probably stolen by a foreign spy terrorist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 22 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: the vetting of foreign nationals working on sensitive material has always been in place has it not ? i suspect Hagemann could have spent her time more constructively than running to Twitter It's analysis on the economy, and trade. They're not working for MI5 and MI6. Presumably we need to sack the Canadian governor of the bank of England. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Presumably we need to sack the Canadian governor of the bank of England. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 43 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It's analysis on the economy, and trade. They're not working for MI5 and MI6. Presumably we need to sack the Canadian governor of the bank of England. Weak argument is weak ...Does he work inside the FCO ? the vetting is specific to anyone working within the FCO where it appears these experts would be working .... seems the two sides are saying different things but i suppose it must the version on Twitter that's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, peterms said: No, it hasn't. We allow the US privileged access to all sorts, allow them to do what they want, even give them control of our national security. We don't vet them. We just prostrate ourselves before them, like local chieftains in the face of an occupying power. You do know that, don't you? Oh how I've missed your conspiracy theories ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Why do they need to be UK citizens, but not before today? Research and analysis should be taken on its merits. If the argument is sound, it shouldn't matter who wrote it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: Oh how I've missed your conspiracy theories ... You sound very malleable. Advertisers would love you, just love you. Do you not see what is before your eyes? Or do you accept it because those in control know best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 16 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Why do they need to be UK citizens, but not before today? Research and analysis should be taken on its merits. If the argument is sound, it shouldn't matter who wrote it. Do we know that it is actually the case ? I'm reading LSE saying one thing and the FCO another ... I know that we aren't supposed to believe anything from our government but even so ... if you swapped FCO for Corbyn you'd have people posting saying it was another stich up and the LSE aren't to be believed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, peterms said: You sound very malleable. Advertisers would love you, just love you. Do you not see what is before your eyes? Or do you accept it because those in control know best? it's kinda fitting that you're asking me if I accept things before my eyes in the middle of discussions where people are believing what's in front of their eyes whilst I'm questioning it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it's kinda fitting that you're asking me if I accept things before my eyes in the middle of discussions where people are believing what's in front of their eyes whilst I'm questioning it Hey, that's deep, man. Pass the pipe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: There's a gif we're going to see more of over the next few years, I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: if you swapped FCO for Corbyn you'd have me posting saying it was another stich up and the FCO aren't to be believed Fixed. Edited October 7, 2016 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) On 06/10/2016 at 13:34, peterms said: Liam Fox tells us that part of our negotiating hand is not guaranteeing EU citizens' right to remain. I wonder if he has thought at all of the impact of losing all our EU immigrants and regaining all our EU emigrants. Still, as an ex-GP, we could no doubt force him back into the workplace to help cope with the onslaught on the health service. He's do less damage there. Being reported today that all EU nationals will be allowed to stay and offered permanent residency Guess we are safe from Dr Fox after all now , about that scaremongering ..... Edited October 8, 2016 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2016 9 hours ago, peterms said: No, it hasn't. We allow the US privileged access to all sorts, allow them to do what they want, even give them control of our national security. We don't vet them. We just prostrate ourselves before them, like local chieftains in the face of an occupying power. You do know that, don't you? You're wrong, Peter. Quite, quite wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Moderator Share Posted October 8, 2016 9 hours ago, tonyh29 said: the vetting of foreign nationals working on sensitive material has always been in place has it not ? I suspect Hagemann could have spent her time more constructively than running to Twitter It has, though whether in this case the advisors could have been vetted, rather than sacked off doesn't seem to have made the story, nor does it say whether the uk nationals working on your alleged sensitive material have been vetted, because that's also a standard requirement. Nor does it say whether anyone needs to be vetted to provide their expertise. It does seem like an act of stupidity by a numpty somewhere within government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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