Genie Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 3 Moderator Share Posted June 3 And here’s the reaction (possibly) from the Tories (more on thread). They are about to kill themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 They literally don’t know what to do at this stage. They seem to be actively avoiding suggesting anything sensible / useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Next policy to paint trees blue and raise the age of buying toothpaste to 25. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Genie said: They literally don’t know what to do at this stage. They seem to be actively avoiding suggesting anything sensible / useful. There isn't anything sensible or useful that they can do. All they can do is lay little bits of bait to see if Labour blow themselves up. But there doesn't seem to be any sign that they're interested in that bait. Edited June 3 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: There isn't anything sensible or useful that they can do. Why not? There’s plenty to be fixed, yes they broke it but they could pretend to ignore that and pledge to fix things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 minute ago, Genie said: Why not? There’s plenty to be fixed, yes they broke it but they could pretend to ignore that and pledge to fix things. Because people don't trust or believe them. They can promise whatever they want, nobody is going to vote for them because they are promising to do x, y or z. Because they've had the chance to do x, y and z and haven't bothered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post one_ian_taylor Posted June 3 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 3 32 minutes ago, Genie said: They literally don’t know what to do at this stage. They seem to be actively avoiding suggesting anything sensible / useful. Youth Hostelling with Chris Eubank? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 3 Moderator Share Posted June 3 Their reaction to a poll in which a centrist is forecast to demolish them at a general election and the news that a right wing extremist nutcase might steal votes from the lunatic fringe is to ask how they can better compete for that lunatic fringe vote. It's not hard to see why they're about to go extinct is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Genie said: Why not? There’s plenty to be fixed, yes they broke it but they could pretend to ignore that and pledge to fix things. It is not and never will wash though will it. Was it yesterday they pledged to open 100 new GP surgeries having closed 2500 since 2010. Every instance of them saying they'll do something can be met with but you've destroyed that very same thing you'll say you'll start to fix. It is like an arsonist burning your house down then offering to start laying a few bricks to rebuild it. After 14 years they have nowhere to hide and everything that is wrong in on them. Edited June 3 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Their reaction to a poll in which a centrist is forecast to demolish them at a general election and the news that a right wing extremist nutcase might steal votes from the lunatic fringe is to ask how they can better compete for that lunatic fringe vote. It's not hard to see why they're about to go extinct is it? But as above, what can they offer* to that group that would change any votes? Even in a world where they know they'll lose the election and are just trying to claw back a bit of Surrey and Hertfordshire, what policy do they announce that makes that sort of voter change their Lib Dem or Labour vote back to a Tory one? They barely have anything to offer to the lunatic fringe, but at least that lot might still be stupid enough to believe it. *"we'll just pretend Brexit didn't happen and go back to 2015" notwithstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 3 Moderator Share Posted June 3 Just now, ml1dch said: But as above, what can they offer* to that group that would change any votes? Even in a world where they know they'll lose the election and are just trying to claw back a bit of Surrey and Hertfordshire, what policy do they announce that makes that sort of voter change their Lib Dem or Labour vote back to a Tory one? They barely have anything to offer to the lunatic fringe, but at least that lot might still be stupid enough to believe it. *"we'll just pretend Brexit didn't happen and go back to 2015" notwithstanding It's bizarre though to see the government in a desperate race to extremism with a conman for the benefit of a larger share of 5% of the electorate while the other 95% stand off to one side just staring at them and wondering when they'll do something about the state of the place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) 15 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's bizarre though to see the government in a desperate race to extremism with a conman for the benefit of a larger share of 5% of the electorate while the other 95% stand off to one side just staring at them and wondering when they'll do something about the state of the place. It is, but my question wasn't rhetorical. What do they have to offer that group that makes any significant number of them change their voting intention and not just roll their eyes? I genuinely can't think of anything. Edited June 3 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 3 Moderator Share Posted June 3 6 minutes ago, ml1dch said: What do they have to offer that group that makes any significant number of them change their voting intention and not just roll their eyes? Indeed. Why aren't they working harder on policies and ideas that effect, relate and engage the majority of the electorate, why aren't they talking about the things that people care about? It's a question that tells us a lot about how donors run politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Toilets. Sort out who’s hiding in your toilet and the rest will pretty much look after itself. Party of weirdos, scammers, and scummers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 8 hours ago, markavfc40 said: It is not and never will wash though will it. Was it yesterday they pledged to open 100 new GP surgeries having closed 2500 since 2010. Every instance of them saying they'll do something can be met with but you've destroyed that very same thing you'll say you'll start to fix. It is like an arsonist burning your house down then offering to start laying a few bricks to rebuild it. After 14 years they have nowhere to hide and everything that is wrong in on them. I want to know what happened to those 40 new hospitals we were all promised in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 4 VT Supporter Share Posted June 4 19 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: I want to know what happened to those 40 new hospitals we were all promised in 2019. A proper journalist should ask for a list to be published. Whilst we're at it where is the extra £350m a week being spent in the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 11 minutes ago, sidcow said: A proper journalist should ask for a list to be published. Whilst we're at it where is the extra £350m a week being spent in the NHS? Tbf that was a vote leave promise, not a Tory one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Tbf that was a vote leave promise, not a Tory one. Thats fair but it was Boris Johnson who delivered that figure and also said it would actually be a higher figure. He was the poster child of Vote Leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 13 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Thats fair but it was Boris Johnson who delivered that figure and also said it would actually be a higher figure. He was the poster child of Vote Leave. and was elected on the basis of delivering the promises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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