sidcow Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 10 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: She might be going but we'll still have the gifs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: Theresa May is the PM who defined brexit in a way that made it impossible. And it shouldn't be forgotten that it wasn't even her who defined it - she let Nick Timothy draw those parameters with little consultation with anybody else and just went along with it. A level of irresponsibility to match anything that Johnson followed it up with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 8 Moderator Share Posted March 8 49 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I don't think it makes the most difference as people overwhelmingly vote for the party, or more accurately the leader of it, rather than the individual. This is often shown when for whatever reasons an existing MP resigns from their party to run as an independent and then almost always loses. Like Frank Field last time when he was actually a brexit supporter in a leave consitutency but still lost once he got thrown out of the patry. He jumped before he was pushed, he was a Tory in the Labour Party, the only reason he kept getting elected was he was the Labour candidate. He was absolutely getting deselected by the local party anyway. He was once named by the Telegraph as the 100th most influential right winger in the UK. The Tories tried to get him to defect to them but he refused He was a Tory with a red rosette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted March 8 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: And it shouldn't be forgotten that it wasn't even her who defined it - she let Nick Timothy draw those parameters with little consultation with anybody else and just went along with it. A level of irresponsibility to match anything that Johnson followed it up with. And lets also not forget her tenure as Home Secretary, just because Patel, Barverman et al were worse, it was still her that introduced the "Hostile Environment", She was the precursor to what followed 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 6 minutes ago, bickster said: He jumped before he was pushed, he was a Tory in the Labour Party, the only reason he kept getting elected was he was the Labour candidate. He was absolutely getting deselected by the local party anyway. He was once named by the Telegraph as the 100th most influential right winger in the UK. The Tories tried to get him to defect to them but he refused He was a Tory with a red rosette The point that I was making is that he had a 20,000 majority at a seat he had held since 1979, and once he left the party the majority of the votes followed Labour, not the person. Edited March 8 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 23 hours ago, chrisp65 said: It’s fascinating, HSBC have announced they are not renewing their lease in 2027. So in advance of that there is development money to attract science projects to the area and new housing to the area to make the transition as seamless as possible. Years in advance of a building being vacated. Imagine a similar level of forward planning and investment for steel workers or car makers or ship builders. One of the more boggling aspects of Tory Brexit was manufacture and agriculture were to take the hit, and that bit was in the Brexit brochure, known and picked up on by the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 8 Moderator Share Posted March 8 Just now, The Fun Factory said: The point that I was making is that he has a 20,000 majority at a seat he had held since 1979, and once he left the party the majority of the votes followed Labour, not the person. Yes but my point was that he was effectively a Tory anyway I do agree with your general point but I just think frank Field is a particularly bad example being as he was very much in the Kate Hoey / in completely the wrong party group of Labour MPs It's likely that Corbyn might go against that and other recent examples of that not being the case that spring to mind are... Carswell and Reckless who both resigned their seats and the Tory Party then got re-elected as UKIP candidates. I wouldn't include David Davis because he stood virtually unopposed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 With the current lines on there being a maxed out credit card, no clear war crimes in Palestine, how working out the family budget at the dining room table taught Rachel Reeves economics, and no hiding place or excuses for youths on benefits, it can often be the case people end up accidentally in the wrong party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 8 Moderator Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I always thought it was very moving the way she almost met the residents of Grenfell and then almost got something done about Grenfell. Are we 100% certain she didn't start it? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted March 8 Popular Post Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: Are we 100% certain she didn't start it? People's vote, Novichok, Boris Johnson, Hancock Change UK, Donald Tusk, Harry Kane, Elon Musk Royal wedding, porn laws, John Bercow's Brexit wars Amber Rudd, business slump, holding hands with Donald Trump Doo doo doo doo doo doo.... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Albrighton Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 For some unexpected political insight, I saw two minutes of Celebrity Big Brother the other night (yeah, yeah I know…I promise it was two minutes). Fern Britton was talking to Kate Middleton’s uncle (I believe that’s his name) and Fern claimed that she’s put a bet on that the next Prime Minister will be David Cameron. She didn’t say what odds she managed to get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 22 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: For some unexpected political insight, I saw two minutes of Celebrity Big Brother the other night (yeah, yeah I know…I promise it was two minutes). Fern Britton was talking to Kate Middleton’s uncle (I believe that’s his name) and Fern claimed that she’s put a bet on that the next Prime Minister will be David Cameron. She didn’t say what odds she managed to get. I think the only lesson to be learned here is how little understanding Fern Britton has of the mechanics of how the Westminster system works. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 38 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: For some unexpected political insight, I saw two minutes of Celebrity Big Brother the other night (yeah, yeah I know…I promise it was two minutes). Fern Britton was talking to Kate Middleton’s uncle (I believe that’s his name) and Fern claimed that she’s put a bet on that the next Prime Minister will be David Cameron. She didn’t say what odds she managed to get. Not as good as you'd think. He's 10/1, which seeing as Rishi is 7/1 is pretty poor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, Xann said: One of the more boggling aspects of Tory Brexit was manufacture and agriculture were to take the hit, and that bit was in the Brexit brochure, known and picked up on by the media. Is Patrick Minford really Barry Cryer (4 mins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Waiting between fights pisses me off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) Anyone quoting Patrick Minford as their main source, has already lost the argument. The guys a joke. Edited March 9 by meregreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 9 Moderator Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, meregreen said: Anyone quoting Patrick Minford as their main source, has already lost the argument. The guys a joke. Least funny joke in the world. Not one of his crackpot ideas has ever been a success. From the Poll Tax to leaving the EU his economic theories have always been bollocks and a certain party keep going back to him and using his ideas. Unlike most crackpot economists, his ideas have been put into practice multiple times and failed miserably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 9 Moderator Share Posted March 9 21 hours ago, ml1dch said: People's vote, Novichok, Boris Johnson, Hancock Change UK, Donald Tusk, Harry Kane, Elon Musk Royal wedding, porn laws, John Bercow's Brexit wars Amber Rudd, business slump, holding hands with Donald Trump Doo doo doo doo doo doo.... I tried really hard not to put "she didn't start the fire" but if I'd known this was in the pipes I'd have gone straight in. Superb work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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