Genie Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 15 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Are these arguably the worst generation? Didn't fight in the war and build the country back up and then after benefitting from everything that was good, have done everything they can to make future generations worse off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 4 VT Supporter Share Posted March 4 I feel attacked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I feel attacked. Don't recall you plopping into the idiot traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 4 Moderator Share Posted March 4 Here's that IPSOS polling, took me a while to find it Also the latest Delta Poll attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Not sure if this is the correct topic to ask but I overheard a conversation at work last week talking about when Sunak is likely to call a GE. Person A predicts his egotistical 'insert swear word here' won't call it until he's had 2 years as PM, which would be what - November? Surely they would want to campaign before that, no? But then on the other hand I'm thinking, they must know they're **** either way and will just end up dragging it on for as long as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 4 VT Supporter Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I feel attacked. So you should sponger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The greys got nice pensions, but the state of the NHS. I'd imagine it's a fairly small percentage that'll be better off if we continue to roll towards where Tory donors want us to be? This is one of my friends in the US. The pic was captured mid Jan, for time reference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, MCU said: Not sure if this is the correct topic to ask but I overheard a conversation at work last week talking about when Sunak is likely to call a GE. Person A predicts his egotistical 'insert swear word here' won't call it until he's had 2 years as PM, which would be what - November? Surely they would want to campaign before that, no? But then on the other hand I'm thinking, they must know they're **** either way and will just end up dragging it on for as long as possible? The absolute latest it could be, would be late January next year. That would involve campaigning over Christmas and nobody will fancy that and the electorate will punish the party that delays the strictly final with a party political broadcast. It would be equally daft to ask people to stay sober to vote in the weeks leading up to Christmas. May and June have a couple of Westminster recess weeks in there. July and August MP’s will be on their hols as will much of the electorate that has the money for holidays so that would be a bad choice. Would they have the kids back in school in September and then give them all a Thursday off? By a process of elimination you start to think its October / November as a likely date. But October 31st is a Thursday and he surely wouldn’t call a GE on Halloween, would he? What we’re trying to do here, is guess the thought process of a trapped tory when none of the options are flash your cock or grab the money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MCU said: Not sure if this is the correct topic to ask but I overheard a conversation at work last week talking about when Sunak is likely to call a GE. Person A predicts his egotistical 'insert swear word here' won't call it until he's had 2 years as PM, which would be what - November? Surely they would want to campaign before that, no? But then on the other hand I'm thinking, they must know they're **** either way and will just end up dragging it on for as long as possible? They're currently working on "something might turn up" as being the best hope. The longer you leave it, the more chance there is of that happening. There are three realistic windows - May (at the same time as the local elections), Autumn or January. If you go in January you have the triple threat of activist and voter apathy (knocking doors in December or early January?), timing resentment (you're spending my Christmas period shouting at me about politics?) and cowardice (lots of people believe Gordon Brown would probably have stayed in power in 2010 if he hadn't let the Tories build the narrative about being scared of the voters). Plus campaigning happening during the annual NHS collapse when it's nearly always the most important issue for voters at that time of year would be pretty brave. I think Autumn would be even worse than January. Again, three reasons. In reverse order of importance; (1) small boats. They'll still be coming in large numbers, and given he's stupidly decided to make it the main focus of his entire time in office, the campaign is happening when they are greatest in number and when the spotlight of failure is shining brightest on him. (2) America. The UK campaign would be happening at the same time as the US one. I'm pretty confident that neither party wants to spend the whole campaign being asked who they will want to win and their opinion on the latest piece of culture-war idiocy that is getting people excited over there. (1) Most importantly, local elections. An Autumn election would be called in the immediate aftermath of the May locals. I reckon these will be some of the worst results that the Tories have ever seen. Consider last years. The Tories lost over a thousand councillors, from the previous election in those seats which saw Theresa May also lose over a thousand in 2019. The seats happening in May next year were last contested in the post-Covid / vaccine bounce - the Tories had a +550 swing on councillor numbers. So there are a lot more left to be lost, and if they go Autumn then they will calling a General Election and campaigning in the middle of "worst ever election for the Tories" headlines, and a party that is furious with the leadership for overseeing (what I think will be) the worst local elections for the Tories ever. It's still not ideal sending people to the polls and asking them to kick out a load of Tory councillors as well as the Government, but at least in May there are more motivated Tories trying to help Sunak win an election. Obviously all his options are terrible, because he's a shit person, from a shit party, leading a shit Government with a record of nothing but failure. But I think the later he leaves it, the worse it'll be. But given they probably know they're going to lose, why not get another six months of being important? It's not like he's going to have to deal with the aftermath. Edited March 4 by ml1dch 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 That’s all I can think of, the longer he leaves it, the more chance of Argentina invading the Isle of Wight and every month is another £7,200 payslip for even the most invisible insipid back bench MP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 47 minutes ago, MCU said: Not sure if this is the correct topic to ask but I overheard a conversation at work last week talking about when Sunak is likely to call a GE. Person A predicts his egotistical 'insert swear word here' won't call it until he's had 2 years as PM, which would be what - November? Surely they would want to campaign before that, no? But then on the other hand I'm thinking, they must know they're **** either way and will just end up dragging it on for as long as possible? Most bookies are saying November as that will get Richi his two years and he can kick off the campaign after the conference season. But others are saying he wants it earlier due to the US election may overshadow it. I doubt he wants to do a December election even though that is what happened in 2019. The latest will be January 2025. It would be great if this could all be wrapped up by May but he wants to play pretend prime minister for a bit longer before he gets his big tech move sorted out. The local elections in May will be terrible so he will probably want to wait a bit longer in the hope things may get better. They won't. He may then be under pressure to get it done and out of the way in early summer but I think most Tories will probably like to spend one more summer in recess at the public's expense, whilst looking for new jobs. Edited March 4 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 51 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: That’s all I can think of, the longer he leaves it, the more chance of Argentina invading the Isle of Wight and every month is another £7,200 payslip for even the most invisible insipid back bench MP. Same, they are holding out in the hope something really shitty sticks to Starmer or as you say, an opportunity to look heroic (although it didn’t work for BoJo and Ukraine). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I think the markets will reject this. If funded by scrapping non-dom status then it’s as good as unfunded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 5 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5 The irony of The Tories targeting rich tax exiles living here and Labour probably going to drop it when they get in as its a stupid unworkable policy that will probably reduce tax receipts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 21 hours ago, DCJonah said: Are these arguably the worst generation? Didn't fight in the war and build the country back up and then after benefitting from everything that was good, have done everything they can to make future generations worse off. First of all, I think the headline is bollocks. But I definitely blame myself for voting for Blair in 1997, even though wiser heads warned me that he was a total phoney. But as for blaming the boomers, it could only apply to those who pissed their good times up the wall, as anyone who bought a house, council or otherwise, have a massive amount of equity to draw upon, and still have a substantial amount to live on and/or leave to their children. What they are not telling you, is that if they taxed property and not just wage-earners, they might be able to deal with the country's debts, or attempt to remedy some of the squalor, which is to be seen in every town and city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Looking like Londoners are going to hand London to the guy that has handed London it to the islamists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 26 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: First of all, I think the headline is bollocks. But I definitely blame myself for voting for Blair in 1997, even though wiser heads warned me that he was a total phoney. But as for blaming the boomers, it could only apply to those who pissed their good times up the wall, as anyone who bought a house, council or otherwise, have a massive amount of equity to draw upon, and still have a substantial amount to live on and/or leave to their children. What they are not telling you, is that if they taxed property and not just wage-earners, they might be able to deal with the country's debts, or attempt to remedy some of the squalor, which is to be seen in every town and city. I blame second (or third, fourth, fifth etc) home owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted March 5 VT Supporter Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, bobzy said: I blame second (or third, fourth, fifth etc) home owners. I would think there are a lot more of them now per head of population than there were in the 70's / 80's when the Boomers were at the height of their earnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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