Hobsons Choice Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 Well at least someone in the government will have actually won an election now Cameron is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 And the best thing of all from Sunak's perspective is that everyone is talking about Cameron, which yer average voter won't be interested in, rather than the overt display of Government-inspired fascism we saw in London on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, bickster said: Welcome to the resurgence of the LibDems (who are much closer politically to traditional Tory voters than the current party) I agree with your assessment of Labour but by the third term the LibDems will be the official opposition. Tory Party once they've lost will get more toxic and their current voter demographics are completely against them. You could be right (and I hope you are) however this depends on how bi-partisan the country will become. Give it a couple more years of Americanisation of the public - which is something I think Tories will depend on - and all of a sudden a lot of voters might only see the two options. 3rd term is more than 10 years away. And that's a loooong time in politics, and a lot of influence on TickTock or Facebook. I hope it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 How has he got a job when he’s not sitting MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 Is this a decent move internally from Sunak in trying to further isolate the nutcase element and strengthen his ties with what might be considered "normal" Conservatives - y'know, persuade us he wasn't part of the madness and is instead a return to something nicer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Nicho said: How has he got a job when he’s not sitting MP. The King said so. Sunak has asked for him to be appointed as a Lord and Charles signed the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Is this a decent move internally from Sunak in trying to further isolate the nutcase element and strengthen his ties with what might be considered "normal" Conservatives - y'know, persuade us he wasn't part of the madness and is instead a return to something nicer? It's probably not a bad move. Don't really see it changing things massively though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 This is surely just Sunak realising, probably too late, that he needs to be in the centre ground come the next election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 I wonder which team he will be supporting in this new role 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Being unable to attend to face questions from your shadow minister and the house should immediately disqualify someone from being a cabinet minister. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jareth said: This is surely just Sunak realising, probably too late, that he needs to be in the centre ground come the next election. That's definitely what it is. If he's smart he'll announce the election ASAP as well and give the nutters on the right of the party no time to start lobbing grenades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Being unable to attend to face questions from your shadow minister and the house should immediately disqualify someone from being a cabinet minister. Couldn’t they get the King to sign a waiver to that rule too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jareth said: This is surely just Sunak realising, probably too late, that he needs to be in the centre ground come the next election. Its mostly just getting him out of a hole. He needed to bin his home secretary and didn't have enough faith/trust in anyone else to bring in a new face, made worse because he's in a feeble position, so he's shuffled around the figures he had in place already until the least concerning 'big seat', foreign secretary, was open and has then parachuted in a 'neutral' figure to fill it. It probably does play well with some elements of the party, but that's not really enough or what has driven the decision, it's just a nice bonus. Which might also harm him more than it benefits - there's a lot of Tories that would view Cameron being brought in as a bad thing. He's not of the rabid culture war populist arm that's festered in his wake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 Tufton Street having a normal one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Coffey being replaced as Secretary of State for the Environment by the Exxon Valdez is a positive improvement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Mic09 said: You could be right (and I hope you are) however this depends on how bi-partisan the country will become. Give it a couple more years of Americanisation of the public - which is something I think Tories will depend on - and all of a sudden a lot of voters might only see the two options. 3rd term is more than 10 years away. And that's a loooong time in politics, and a lot of influence on TickTock or Facebook. I hope it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me! 2nd Term is 5 maybe 6 years away. That’s another 5 or 6 years of dead Tory voters and (IMO) those looking for an alternative to Labour will not have forgotten or forgiven The Tories, especially as there will only be a rump of them left and again (IMO) a majority of nutters. That will be when the LibDems have their opportunity to become a credible force again but obviously won’t win but may get to be the opposition Demographics are completely against the Tories. The saying you’ve used about a week being a long time in politics is a micro thing. Election cycles are more Macro. The defeat that the Tories are heading for will be worse than 1997. It took 3 election cycles, 13 years and a global financial meltdown for The Tories to recover and even then they just about managed to get a coalition together. Their staring point after the next election will be much much worse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 13, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-67370421 The full stop in that last sentence is doing an awful lot of work. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Bring back Heseltine and Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 47 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: I wonder which team he will be supporting in this new role Aston Ham United... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Could be Burnley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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