Xann Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Predicting what goes on in a decade is folly, considering the chaos in the background. If Putin stays in? He'll looking to flood the West with refugees. That'll be an addition to any potential migrants fleeing abnormal climate conditions. There's the fertile soil for the right to rise again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, bickster said: Well, I think they'll exist but they may well be swapping places with the LibDems, who I expect to become the official opposition at some point when Labour are in power in the next 10-15 years. As an electoral force, I'm convinced they are done From the current position of huge swathes of the electorate not trusting them, they'll have to end the civil war and the only way that happens is if one side wins (it'll be the throbbers). Meanwhile the rest of the country will have moved on and their current target demographic will by and large be dead to be replaced with people who rarely vote Tory ever. Oh and just wait until Farage is on board after the next election They are absolutely toast They are at the next election but will probably still be second and they will bounce back. When Blair was winning elections by massive amounts the conversation similarly was of the Conservatives being a spent force and the Party splintering into two or more factions, and their electability had gone. Like wise Labour under Corbyn and in the aftermath of the last election. The major parties will unite after a drubbing and maintain their base support which solidifies when their is chance of power. The Conservative's problems haven't just been from Johnson and Truss but the inevitable climax made worse by those two, that Osborne and Cameron perpetrated not in 2010, but in 2015. Continuing an austerity programme was unnecessary and purely political whilst allowing Brexit to tear the country in two. The last 8 years have been a disaster and they will pay for it next year. But the hope for them is that someone electable and sensible like Penny Mourdant will take the reins and get them moving as one group rather than the infighting that is so glaringly obvious as just positioning for power from cabinet members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 The Tories will stagger around like a drunk man, shouting out random shit, throwing air punches and stinking of piss for a while but eventually they will sober up and shuffle back into the conversation at about the time that Labour starts to smell like a recently deceased corpse. They'll get beat, and beat well, at the next election but they'll be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, peterw said: someone electable and sensible like Penny Mourdant Are you clinically insane? Penny **** ing Mordor??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Are you clinically insane? Penny **** ing Mordor??? You know it's bad if you get Mike swearing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted October 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2023 People seemed to be impressed with that empress dress/sword combo she wore at the royal party thing earlier in the year. Maybe if she just does that all the time - look like she’s going to fight rather than saying she’s going to fight - it would prove to be a sufficient enough vote winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 13, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted October 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Are you clinically insane? Penny **** ing Mordor??? I wonder how many of these ones that want to be Tory Queen or Tory king actually believe what they say on a lot of stuff? I don't know much about her at all, or most of them, but it seems like they say stuff now that they wouldn't have said a few years ago - that they say stuff because they think it'll make them popular with members so they can get their top job, not because they really believe it. I can imagine them having completely different views in a year's time after an election and a new leader is in place. Maybe I'm too kind, or too cynical, I dunno, but they can't all be that apparently shallow, can they? As soon as Tory ones leave parliament they seem less evil, when they've got the freedom to not have to feel they must say all the mad stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 11/10/2023 at 18:22, ml1dch said: This is SLIGHTLY misleading. It’s only people who are on bail that they’re being told not to jail. I know that’s still not great. But it’s not as bad as convicted rapists not being jailed, which is the implication 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted October 13, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, Seat68 said: You know it's bad if you get Mike swearing. I swear all the **** ing time, you word removed. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted October 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2023 Representative for Wellingborough moniker is well-earned. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) I'd fully expect him to win again. Labour didn't had much of an edge even back in '97, they **** love the tories in that dump. Edited October 16, 2023 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Representative for Wellingborough moniker is well-earned. Bone by name, Bone by nature?!? the Tory party really do manage to attract the odious don’t they. Edited October 16, 2023 by theboyangel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I'd fully expect him to win again. Labour didn't had much of an edge even back in '97, they **** love the tories in that dump. Not so sure. I'd say it's on the edges of possibility, especially in a by-election but would need disciplined tactical voting and a high turnout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, bickster said: Not so sure. I'd say it's on the edges of possibility, especially in a by-election but would need disciplined tactical voting and a high turnout Not all that fussed about the result of this one. Hopefully Bone stands again, and the news round gets a solid week or two of "Sunak forced to defend bullying and sexual misconduct allegations". Reckon that's far more damaging in the long-term than whether a safe Tory seat loses its Tory MP for 12 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I've only just read the details of Peter showing people his bone. Curious that "bullying" is the leading story and not the indecent exposure that in any other line of work would be instant dismissal and a police report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 16, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Not all that fussed about the result of this one. Hopefully Bone stands again, and the news round gets a solid week or two of "Sunak forced to defend bullying and sexual misconduct allegations". Reckon that's far more damaging in the long-term than whether a safe Tory seat loses its Tory MP for 12 months. I absolutely do hope Bone stands again (but suspect he'll be told to do one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 11 hours ago, theboyangel said: Bone by name, Bone by nature?!? the Tory party really do manage to attract the odious don’t they. Sven-Göran Eriksson is looking well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Sven-Göran Eriksson is looking well. She looks like his hostage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 13/10/2023 at 17:36, blandy said: I wonder how many of these ones that want to be Tory Queen or Tory king actually believe what they say on a lot of stuff? I don't know much about her at all, or most of them, but it seems like they say stuff now that they wouldn't have said a few years ago - that they say stuff because they think it'll make them popular with members so they can get their top job, not because they really believe it. I can imagine them having completely different views in a year's time after an election and a new leader is in place. Maybe I'm too kind, or too cynical, I dunno, but they can't all be that apparently shallow, can they? As soon as Tory ones leave parliament they seem less evil, when they've got the freedom to not have to feel they must say all the mad stuff. I think the problem is conservatism doesn’t work. At its base ideology it is austerity of public service privatisation to big business to generate “wealth”. Not that any of this lot necessarily believe or understand it and as you say will say anything as long as they deem it popular. This is always doomed to fail over a long enough period and create inequality. The idea of empire and nationalism fits perfectly into this and strikes a cord with people wanting to be part of the mega beast the UK once was. You see it in the US people are happy to say they are the best when equality and public services have never been lower. Similar things can be said of socialism but what was the labour ideology of being on the workers side seems to have been lost as too many of the workers like the idea of empire. On a side note I really like Rory Stewart and they made a massive error to turn back by not appointing him when they had the chance in my opinion. He even has the teeth for the stereo typical Brit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post one_ian_taylor Posted October 17, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2023 10 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Sven-Göran Eriksson is looking well. Ulrika has changed a lot 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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