Genie Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Will those bridges over the M42 become statues then? I assume they are north of where it will stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Scrap the Bellendingham Bridge 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 3, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: vaccines cause homosexuality in frogs That’s not a logical jump. We should rib it for all it’s worth. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 11 hours ago, sidcow said: You're last words sum it up. From the start, before any budget overruns they've been rubbishing it. This is the point. At no part in its history since inception will you read anything positive press about it. Not true. West Midlands mayor Andy Street thinks it’s fantastic, never misses a photo opportunity with his hi-viz and hard hat. He’s championed it from day one. He also has two extra recycling bins to deal with all the brown envelopes he’s received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 Andy Street will also have turned up to the opening of said envelope with a speech prepared and some photographers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: They really are going after the nutter vote, relentlessly. This week they’ve insisted multiple times there is an absolute blanket ban on going faster than 20mph in Wales. They’ve insisted multiple times that Labour are planning a meat tax, and now they’re saying Local Authorities will limit the number of times you can go to the shops. It really will be the bottom of the barrel voting for these people. Nobody else, just the dregs. Those that think there’s still another pound to be stolen, those that think vaccines cause homosexuality in frogs. That’s the tory demographic now, the greedy and the mad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Jon said: Was she touting for business? For the by-election later this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, jim said: For the by-election later this month. It's definitely interesting that that's what she's doing at the moment. First, in more normal times you'd think that one of the bigger names in the Tory party would be at conference right now being hosted at posh dinners by various groups wanting to hang out with her. Second, that she's taking her Toryism *so* seriously that she's taken the time herself to go door knocking in Tamworth. Nobody is making her go there. It would be perfectly easy for her to go and do a couple of lucrative speeches somewhere or just have a nice holiday for a couple of weeks. And Tamworth staying Tory for another twelve months makes literally no difference to her personally. So while they're pretty terrible ideals she holds, you have to admire her commitment to them. edit - scrap this, she's in Manchester. Cleared popped in to Tamworth on her way up. Edited October 3, 2023 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: So while they're pretty terrible ideals she holds, you have to admire her commitment to them. Like one of those Japanese soldiers they’d find every now and again defending an island in the 1950’s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 14 hours ago, sidcow said: ... open your eyes more. You're having a giggle. You can see what happened from space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Do Liz Truss and Thersa May get paid for being an MP as well as the “expenses” for being an ex-PM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Genie said: Do Liz Truss and Thersa May get paid for being an MP as well as the “expenses” for being an ex-PM? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 39 minutes ago, Xann said: You're having a giggle. You can see what happened from space. They certainly have. I've got a couple of clients employing actual people on building this. One of them even opened an HS2 office in Birmingham. All those people will probably be laid off now and lose their jobs. None of them seemed like Tory donors creaming it off to me. And those companies who hired them rather than creaming it off will now have to pay redundancy money to said workers with no HS2 contracts to pay for it so they'll be out of pocket too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, sidcow said: They certainly have. I've got a couple of clients employing actual people on building this. One of them even opened an HS2 office in Birmingham. All those people will probably be laid off now and lose their jobs. None of them seemed like Tory donors creaming it off to me. And those companies who hired them rather than creaming it off will now have to pay redundancy money to said workers with no HS2 contracts to pay for it so they'll be out of pocket too. We've had a rinsing that'll be felt for generations. Where do you start counting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 As I understand it, scrapping the Manchester leg of HS2 also means the upgrade to the line (or new line, I can't remember), from manchester to Leeds is scrapped. They can't do that part without the upgrades to the Manchester stations that HS2 would have provided. Which again is evidence of how HS2 was more then just getting to London faster. It upgraded infrastructure everywhere. HS2 is one of those things that the more you take away, the more of a waste of money it becomes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 It's scraping the Manc leg or building a wall around Manchester to keep them in, and scrapping something is cheaper than building something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: HS2 is one of those things that the more you take away, the more of a waste of money it becomes Yes EXACTLY this. It's only once the benefits are removed it will dawn on people that 10 minutes quicker to London was the smallest part of it. So fed up of the "spending the money on improve what we've got" argument. What we've got cannot be improved anymore, it's at capacity. And we'll likely spend exactly the same money to upgrade the tracks which are already at capacity anyway whilst adding exactly zero capacity into the system. No more new local journeys, no more new freight pathways, no more new London and other major city connections to towns that can't currently have them. I'd love to know what the "improve what we've got" brigade think exactly what can be improved? It's like Brexit, they don't know what's being offered, they don't know what they're losing, they don't know what they're asking for but they've formed a very strong opinion on what they think should happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Getting ripped a new one by Suzanna on GMB. I can only dream. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 3, 2023 Quote "Because, being frank, it is not xenophobic to - when you walk into your town centre - to not want to feel like you’re living in a foreign country. I don’t think that makes you a xenophobe.” He added that he thinks it makes you someone who wants “shared values” in your community." Tom Hunt MP The Mirror via MSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Quote "The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it is profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre" Frank Zappa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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