villan95 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 All the polls seem to be going back to 20+ point Labour leads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, villan95 said: All the polls seem to be going back to 20+ point Labour leads And that fieldwork is before the latest Net Zero announcement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I don't think there was a recent time when the lead was really less than 20 points was there? If there was, pretty sure it was all margin-of-error stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I don't think there was a recent time when the lead was really less than 20 points was there? If there was, pretty sure it was all margin-of-error stuff. It did seem to be closing to around 15 for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I don't think there was a recent time when the lead was really less than 20 points was there? If there was, pretty sure it was all margin-of-error stuff. There does appear to be a 2% share of the vote rise for the LibDems consistently in the last few polls published putting them up at about 12% and I've always considered the LibDem figures to be under representative in the polls as this far out people view it as a binary question. In my head they are probably worth a couple more percentage points still as the Tory core vote disaffection hardens They are still nowhere near Charles Kennedy / Paddy Ashdown percentages and should have plenty more scope for increasing their share of vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, mjmooney said: I don't see why this is all varies so much by locality. You'd think in a country as small as the UK we could standardise it nationally? Leeds has: Black bin: garbage Brown bin: garden waste Green bin: all recycling (paper, card, plastic, tin cans, etc.), no glass Glass is not collected, you have to take it to a bottle bank yourself. Meanwhile, just down the road in Bradford, it's... Green bin: garbage Black bin: recycling Blue bin: glass (Don't know about garden waste). Further down the road in Rotherham it's Pink lidded bin - general waste Brown bin - garden waste £42 pa Green bin - cardboard and paper Black bin - glass, tetra paks, plastics etc Edited September 21, 2023 by luckyeddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted September 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Xann said: One bag. The other side is clear, so the bin man can quickly scan the contents. They won't take it if it's filled with eggs shells and cabbages. Also... There's a recycle point nearby that does rags, batteries and shoes plus the standards. Then there's... https://wandsworth.gov.uk Giving me orange bag nostalgia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Interesting little polling quirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 13 hours ago, one_ian_taylor said: Giving me orange bag nostalgia Sounds nasty, where did you catch that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) It won’t be the Independent candidate taking Pincher’s seat at the election then. It really is a lottery now then as I have no idea who is running and what their intentions are. Edited September 22, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Genie said: It won’t be the Independent candidate taking Pincher’s seat at the election then. It really is a lottery now then as I have no idea who is running and what their intentions are. Not sure it's that much of a lottery. Eddie Hughes (Tory candidate at the next General Election) has said that if the Tories hold it at the by-election he'll walk away and look for another seat for the GE. Reckon he wouldn't be saying that if he thought there was any chance of the Tories holding it. Mid Bedfordshire is much harder to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 22, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted September 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2023 10 hours ago, luckyeddie said: Sounds nasty, where did you catch that? Wandsworth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) Going back to @bicksters point about the EV delay being a total sham that should have been called out, it seems they're not amending the rules around EV quotas so inevitably by 2030 EV's will still totally dominate sales. Any remaining manufacturers selling ICE vehicles by then will have to be selling them at such a massive premium they're going to be extremely low volume high value/special interest vehicles only. It's just an empty shouting point to appeal to their hardcore and gammon types. Edited September 22, 2023 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's just an empty shouting point to appeal to their hardcore and gammon types. Pretty much every Tory policy announcement since around 2015, no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted September 23, 2023 The Tories don’t appear to know the threat that the Green Party pose to them. The Con in Conservative might stand for confidence trick but it also stands for conservation. The Green / NIMBY parallels are strikingly obvious but the Tory nut jobs don’t seem to understand this, like everything else they don’t appear to grasp, killing their voters included. Sunak's spectacular and desperate own goal… Quote Rishi Sunak’s decision to backtrack on key climate policies could leave Conservative MPs in blue wall seats vulnerable, polling suggests. Research by pollsters Survation found support for climate action particularly high in Tory-held constituencies in the southeast of England, where the Tories are facing a series of challenges by the Lib Dems and Labour. The Tories are predicted to hold just 29 out of 52 seats in the southeast, according to analysis of more than 20,000 voters by the firm. Mr Sunak has jettisoned a long list of net zero pledges, including delaying a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars until 2035 and introducing diluted targets for the phasing out of gas boilers. The prime minister was also widely mocked for axing policies that did not exist, such as theoretical new taxes on meat or “compulsory” car sharing – topics that are often fodder for online disinformation. In a blow for Mr Sunak, Survation found that the most marginal constituencies in Tory heartland seats overwhelmingly support almost all specific climate policies polled. In addition, almost three in four of these constituents (72 per cent) said those policies would influence how they voted. indie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: The Tories don’t appear to know the threat that the Green Party pose to them. The Con in Conservative might stand for confidence trick but it also stands for conservation. The Green / NIMBY parallels are strikingly obvious but the Tory nut jobs don’t seem to understand this, like everything else they don’t appear to grasp, killing their voters included. Absolutely right. We were on a local walk a few weeks ago, and went through a village that has always been solidly posh Tory. Green Party placards in most of the gardens. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, mjmooney said: Absolutely right. We were on a local walk a few weeks ago, and went through a village that has always been solidly posh Tory. Green Party placards in most of the gardens. It's funny how for years The Green Party were so far from mainstream you'd need a telescope. Most people thought they were nutjobs. Now you realise what an important message they were portraying 40 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, sidcow said: It's funny how for years The Green Party were so far from mainstream you'd need a telescope. Most people thought they were nutjobs. Now you realise what an important message they were portraying 40 years ago. Tbf a lot of the stuff the Greens used to bang on about was counterproductive nonsense. They’ve matured a lot as a party. I think there’s still a big overlap in rural areas with “green” politics that is just thinly disguised NIMBYism from wealthy landowners, with little genuine regard for climate change. Which is why it threatens the Tories so much…! The key to really mainstreaming green politics is making the big global net zero stuff central to the major parties’ offerings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 He's scrapping the home energy efficiency taskforce. I think the Right went a similar way in Australia only to be routed by Labour. Their algorithm is **** itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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