Genie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 There’s already quite a bit of opposition to the new Tory candidate as he doesn’t live here. There was pretty much no campaigning for the council seats and Conservative still lost control. Hopefully one of the other parties makes a bit of effort to get the MP gig so people get behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: There’s already quite a bit of opposition to the new Tory candidate as he doesn’t live here. There was pretty much no campaigning for the council seats and Conservative still lost control. Hopefully one of the other parties makes a bit of effort to get the MP gig so people get behind it. Got to get 10k signatures first 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 When sunak loses next election be interesting to see who takes over. I think it will be hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: When sunak loses next election be interesting to see who takes over. I think it will be hunt I’m pretty it’ll be someone from Labour 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: When sunak loses next election be interesting to see who takes over. I think it will be hunt I've got a feeling they will lurch much further right given their members who will decide, are so fecked off that Bozza isn't leader anymore. I can see them becoming unelectable for a decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: I've got a feeling they will lurch much further right given their members who will decide, are so fecked off that Bozza isn't leader anymore. I can see them becoming unelectable for a decade. It will be 12 years just like with labour. Its always usually the same new government gives you hope they they start being shit half way in that 12 year period people get fed up of them then new party comes in rinse and repeat Im not voting for either of these parties. Both shit. Edited July 6, 2023 by Demitri_C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: I've got a feeling they will lurch much further right given their members who will decide, are so fecked off that Bozza isn't leader anymore. I can see them becoming unelectable for a decade. At some point they will have to accept that Brexit and the right wing policies are what has got them where they are. If they have any sense they will shift back towards centre but they’ll need a major clearout for that to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: At some point they will have to accept that Brexit and the right wing policies are what has got them where they are. If they have any sense they will shift back towards centre but they’ll need a major clearout for that to happen. I agree But no matter what they do alot of people will never vote tory no matter what they do or who they put in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: If they have any sense I see a fatal flaw in your argument... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Genie said: If they have any sense they will shift back towards centre but they’ll need a major clearout for that to happen. Agree - but in the right of centre ground that they wish to reoccupy they'll find New Labour 2.0 - firmly encamped. They'll be homeless! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: Agree - but in the right of centre ground that they wish to reoccupy they'll find New Labour 2.0 - firmly encamped. They'll be homeless! There's a vacancy for a socialist party, and they are nothing if not opportunist... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: When sunak loses next election be interesting to see who takes over. I think it will be hunt There's more chance of it being Corbyn than of it being Hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: It will be 12 years just like with labour. Its always usually the same new government gives you hope they they start being shit half way in that 12 year period people get fed up of them then new party comes in rinse and repeat Im not voting for either of these parties. Both shit. Well this government started being shit immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Sunak planning to vigorously challenge the Rwanda court ruling suggests they are a long way from accepting just why most people hate them so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2023 42 minutes ago, Jareth said: I've got a feeling they will lurch much further right given their members who will decide, are so fecked off that Bozza isn't leader anymore. I can see them becoming unelectable for a decade. You are correct, that is very likely what will happen but... They are already unelectable for at least a decade such is the scale of the defeat they'll be facing You have to wonder how many of those members will still be alive by then We are witnessing the death of the Conservative Party 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: You are correct, that is very likely what will happen but... They are already unelectable for at least a decade such is the scale of the defeat they'll be facing You have to wonder how many of those members will still be alive by then We are witnessing the death of the Conservative Party Na they will be around when me ans you are no longer here. It was also said the same when labour lost last election and had people like chuka were leaving the party Theae two parties will always exist unfortunately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, bickster said: They are already unelectable for at least a decade such is the scale of the defeat they'll be facing As things stand, but the narrative until about two years ago was the Labour wouldn't be back in power for a decade such was the scale of their defeat in 2019. Things change, and quickly. I think it's *very* easy to see a scenario where things stay really bad under Labour for five years due to what they will be inheriting, and the next Tory-leader-but-one is presentable enough to carry the message of "this lot of had their chance and made things worse, we've changed, let's have the natural party of Government back to sort it out properly". I worry that a lot of feeling is that things will suddenly becomes better for everyone just by Not Tories being in charge, and the structural problems are so huge that this just isn't going to be the case. Leading to disappointment and backlash. Not saying that the above will happen, but the assumption of a long Labour run in power is overpriced in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2023 Just now, ml1dch said: As things stand, but the narrative until about two years ago was the Labour wouldn't be back in power for a decade such was the scale of their defeat in 2019. Things change, and quickly. I think it's *very* easy to see a scenario where things stay really bad under Labour for five years due to what they will be inheriting, and the next Tory-leader-but-one is presentable enough to carry the message of "this lot of had their chance and made things worse, we've changed, let's have the natural party of Government back to sort it out properly". I worry that a lot of feeling is that things will suddenly becomes better for everyone just by Not Tories being in charge, and the structural problems are so huge that this just isn't going to be the case. Leading to disappointment and backlash. Not saying that the above will happen, but the assumption of a long Labour run in power is overpriced in my opinion. I think what you will see is a major resurgence if the LibDems after the next election cycle before you'll ever see the Tories back in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2023 58 minutes ago, mjmooney said: There's a vacancy for a socialist party, and they are nothing if not opportunist... They've got to really start hating Jewish people first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: They've got to really start hating Jewish people first. They could be sort of... National Socialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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