Popular Post limpid Posted May 22, 2023 Administrator Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Also, on a side note can anyone tell me how the hell Suella Braverman is a Buddhist? I don't think I've ever before heard of a buddhist who's values can be summed up by the phrase 'pull up the drawbridge, i'm ok thank you very much'. Being bad at your religion isn't just for Christians. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted May 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2023 Just now, limpid said: Being bad at your religion isn't just for Christians. I don't think Karma means what she thinks it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 23 hours ago, bickster said: They don't think they are racist though This is an interesting point to me. Do you really believe they don't think they are racist? Or do you think deep down they know that they are, but they also know they can't say what they truly believe out loud any more? I personally think that they know and are super frustrated that they can't outwardly be as racist as they would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Straggler said: This is an interesting point to me. Do you really believe they don't think they are racist? Or do you think deep down they know that they are, but they also know they can't say what they truly believe out loud any more? I personally think that they know and are super frustrated that they can't outwardly be as racist as they would like. I would expect that a number of them would genuinely dispute they are racist and would probably dispute the very meaning of the word. Don’t we all know someone that spouts general vaguely racist sentiment but when asked about individuals they know, those individuals are alright. Send them all back, not Terry obviously, I mean all them ones in Rotherham I don’t know. Hardly makes me racist does it, if I’m happy to have a drink with Terry. We call him Terry cos we can’t pronounce his real name. There will be people in this very thread that would think like that, and not consider themselves racist. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: I would expect that a number of them would genuinely dispute they are racist and would probably dispute the very meaning of the word. Don’t we all know someone that spouts general vaguely racist sentiment but when asked about individuals they know, those individuals are alright. Send them all back, not Terry obviously, I mean all them ones in Rotherham I don’t know. Hardly makes me racist does it, if I’m happy to have a drink with Terry. We call him Terry cos we can’t pronounce his real name. There will be people in this very thread that would think like that, and not consider themselves racist. I think I know Terry. See him down the pub quite often with his wife Juana. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Portillo moment averted... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 22, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: Portillo moment averted... Plenty more where that came from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Indy claiming this as a massive scoop, although given Priti Patel was the driving force behind the Rwanda thing before Braverman became Home Sec, not really clear that this going to do all that much damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 She should still have disclosed it regardless. Another example of how she thinks rules don’t apply to her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2023 I heard on the radio earlier that emails were actually sent by senior civil servants to the Cabinet Secretary over Braverman's attempts to get a private DAC, which blows her statement of yesterday completely out of the water. Also, there's a story somewhere (The i possibly) about how Tory MPs are actually convinced she's trying to get sacked to stir up as much internal party strife as is possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, bickster said: Also, there's a story somewhere (The i possibly) about how Tory MPs are actually convinced she's trying to get sacked to stir up as much internal party strife as is possible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, meregreen said: She should still have disclosed it regardless. Another example of how she thinks rules don’t apply to her. Agree, but I was expecting something more explosive when the Indy journo Tweeted last night that a massive “-gate” type of revelation was coming out today. As it stands, it’s just another example of Braverman being unfit for office, but it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that will get her sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 minute ago, KentVillan said: Agree, but I was expecting something more explosive when the Indy journo Tweeted last night that a massive “-gate” type of revelation was coming out today. As it stands, it’s just another example of Braverman being unfit for office, but it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that will get her sacked. Yeah it's mere window dressing when compared to DAC stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: I heard on the radio earlier that emails were actually sent by senior civil servants to the Cabinet Secretary over Braverman's attempts to get a private DAC, which blows her statement of yesterday completely out of the water. Also, there's a story somewhere (The i possibly) about how Tory MPs are actually convinced she's trying to get sacked to stir up as much internal party strife as is possible Yeah, there's a strand of Tory commentariat that seems to think that it's her positioning herself for her inevitable rise to the Tory leadership and this would be her "Johnson quitting as Foreign Secretary" moment. Seemingly forgetting that nine months ago a whopping 27 MPs thought it was worth backing her. I'm not sure she's really done much to improve from that baseline. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, KentVillan said: .As it stands, it’s just another example of Braverman being unfit for office, but it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that will get her sacked. What a **** sad state of affairs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted May 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, bickster said: I heard on the radio earlier that emails were actually sent by senior civil servants to the Cabinet Secretary over Braverman's attempts to get a private DAC, which blows her statement of yesterday completely out of the water. Also, there's a story somewhere (The i possibly) about how Tory MPs are actually convinced she's trying to get sacked to stir up as much internal party strife as is possible Two manky, rotten birds, one stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ml1dch Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 Smashing, just what the Tory party want back in the headlines. You love to see it. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2023 ...referred by The Cabinet Office 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, bickster said: ...referred by The Cabinet Office Yup, because they are ultimately the people who hired the lawyers: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: Yup, because they are ultimately the people who hired the lawyers: Even funnier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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