Chindie Posted January 11, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2023 Come on general strike. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Chindie said: Come on general strike. It’s getting closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I don't really understand the striking for a 10% pay rise. Even if they get it, next year inflation may be back down to say 3%, so surely that's a huge bonus? The PCS are just taking the piss out of the government surely, although maybe not a bad thing. Pensions and redundancy terms is a bit far though, as far as I know they have some of the best in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted January 11, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I don't really understand the striking for a 10% pay rise. Even if they get it, next year inflation may be back down to say 3%, so surely that's a huge bonus? The PCS are just taking the piss out of the government surely, although maybe not a bad thing. Pensions and redundancy terms is a bit far though, as far as I know they have some of the best in the industry. It's not 10% to get ahead, it's 10% to catch up - years of enforced wage stagnation have dropped real wages to a level where people are feeling the pinch, coupled with changes in working practices and conditions over the last decade that are likely to be accelerated now that the handbrake of EU membership has been taken off, people's actual earnings have fallen enormously and they're working harder than ever, with less, for longer hours. It's 10% to try to claw some of that back, to try to start to bring people back to where they were five or ten years ago. This government doesn't want that, it doesn't want to talk about that, it doesn't want to be involved with that, dividends, banking bonuses and all the other places at the top of the chain that profit from wage controls are where their real constituents are, where their donors are and where power over our political system lies, especially with Conservatives and most acutely with the government of the last five or six years. This isn't an argument about what can be afforded, it's an argument about how our societies should be constructed and who should benefit from them. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I don't really understand the striking for a 10% pay rise. Even if they get it, next year inflation may be back down to say 3%, so surely that's a huge bonus? The PCS are just taking the piss out of the government surely, although maybe not a bad thing. Pensions and redundancy terms is a bit far though, as far as I know they have some of the best in the industry. Nurses are asking for a 19% pay rise aren’t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Genie said: Nurses are asking for a 19% pay rise aren’t they? Yes indeed. What I can't understand is why the unions don't think of doing this when inflation is at a all time low and we have money to burn. Instead they do it now the country is already f****d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, foreveryoung said: Yes indeed. What I can't understand is why the unions don't think of doing this when inflation is at a all time low and we have money to burn. Instead they do it now the country is already f****d. I think there's two factors, one is simply that enough is enough. It's been 13 years of some degree of austerity, and, more often than not, real terms paycuts. On top of that, while you see high inflation as an additional problem from the perspective of government expenditure (I think, I'm reading between the lines), from the workers' perspective, it's a further problem that fuels these demands; those yearly paycuts have given people progressively worse quality of life, and now the cost of living is going through the roof, people can't take the strain anymore. It's easy to say now "we had money to burn", but the government spent 10+ years crying we were too poor to page wages while siphoning off every penny to tory donors that they could. They've robbed the country blind while pleading poverty. Enough is enough. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Yes indeed. What I can't understand is why the unions don't think of doing this when inflation is at an all time low and we have money to burn. Instead they do it now the country is already f****d. 2015 was the all time low for inflation. Quote Almost 1.1 million NHS employees will receive a pay increase of 1% for 2015-2016. https://employeebenefits.co.uk/issues/march-online-2015/nhs-staff-to-receive-1-pay-rise/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Seat68 said: 2015 was the all time low for inflation. https://employeebenefits.co.uk/issues/march-online-2015/nhs-staff-to-receive-1-pay-rise/ Feels a lifetime ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 21 minutes ago, Seat68 said: 2015 was the all time low for inflation. https://employeebenefits.co.uk/issues/march-online-2015/nhs-staff-to-receive-1-pay-rise/ Should have striked then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted January 11, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Should have striked then! A double strike! One more and you're out! In all seriousness, I don't blame anyone wanting to challenge the current pitiful pay they get for all of the hard they do. I've been on a ~2% uplift for quite a long time and it stings when you look at the finances and compare it to the 5% rent increase I'm having to put up with every year (I'm on a part-buy, part-rent deal so factor in mortgage rates into that as well). Edited January 11, 2023 by trekka 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 11, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Feels a lifetime ago How appropriate. She certainly has a magic money tree. Earned £2mil or thereabouts in speaking engagements, I think she was the highest of all the declared second incomes since the 2019 election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 11, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2023 You're never ever going to be able to strike for a big pay rise at a time of low inflation. You will just be portrayed as greedy by the politicians and probably get little sympathy from the Public. A time to demand a big pay rise is at time of high inflation because you can point to current inflation to justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Should have striked then! There was a planned strike but talks ended that. Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted January 11, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Should have striked then! Low inflation - Can't have an above inflation pay rise because it will fuel inflation and we can't have that High inflation - Can't have a payrise in line with inflation because.... yeah thats right, it'll fuel inflation Do you see the issue here? Workers have no control over inflation but it's used as a stick to beat them every single year Wages are not the trigger for inflation and haven't been since the early 70s 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: I don't really understand the striking for a 10% pay rise. Even if they get it, next year inflation may be back down to say 3%, so surely that's a huge bonus? The PCS are just taking the piss out of the government surely, although maybe not a bad thing. Pensions and redundancy terms is a bit far though, as far as I know they have some of the best in the industry. You do realise if inflation falls back to 3% the prices are still rising don’t you? Just not as fast as 10%? For it to be a ‘huge bonus’ you’d need deflation, i.e. prices to go down to what they were before the 10% inflation levels. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: Yes indeed. What I can't understand is why the unions don't think of doing this when inflation is at a all time low and we have money to burn. Instead they do it now the country is already f****d. Have you thought this through 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, LondonLax said: You do realise if inflation falls back to 3% the prices are still rising don’t you? Just not as fast as 10%? For it to be a ‘huge bonus’ you’d need deflation, i.e. prices to go down to what they were before the 10% inflation levels. Deflation is arguably more dangerous to the economy than inflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 12, 2023 Administrator Share Posted January 12, 2023 12 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I don't really understand the striking for a 10% pay rise. Even if they get it, next year inflation may be back down to say 3%, so surely that's a huge bonus? The PCS are just taking the piss out of the government surely, although maybe not a bad thing. Pensions and redundancy terms is a bit far though, as far as I know they have some of the best in the industry. Then they'll need an additional 3% rise next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 12, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 12, 2023 11 hours ago, LondonLax said: You do realise if inflation falls back to 3% the prices are still rising don’t you? Just not as fast as 10%? For it to be a ‘huge bonus’ you’d need deflation, i.e. prices to go down to what they were before the 10% inflation levels. So over two years prices will have gone up 13% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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