sidcow Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: I don't think you'll ever change the minds of the true believers; it was not about something tangible that could be proven/disproven with data for a lot of them. However there was probably a big group who were not too bothered either way back in 2016 who might have formed a stronger view now. I think there were a hell of a lot of people who just thought what the heck, suck it an see. I'm pretty sure there is a big enough swing in them to move it to join the EU. Plus a lot of old people who were leavers have died and most new voters would vote to join. In my own immediate family we've lost 2 who voted out and not got 2 new voters who would vote in. That's a hell of a swing in a small sample. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2022 Note the number of arrivals has hardly chnged but the backlog is growing almost exponentially 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 What about covering the beaches in razor wire? It'll both protect the country from Johnny Foreigner and stop kids swimming in sewage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 “Let’s stop pretending they’re all refugees in distress” She’s absolutely vile. Justifying putting actual human beings in packed and unsanitary conditions just because you think they’re not deserving of humane treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 Let's... Let's build a wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, bickster said: Note the number of arrivals has hardly chnged but the backlog is growing almost exponentially It's starting to look like slashing funding for public services has all kinds of unforeseeable consequences 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: Let's... Let's build a wall. Get the Navy to sink their boats out at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: “Let’s stop pretending they’re all refugees in distress” She’s absolutely vile. Justifying putting actual human beings in packed and unsanitary conditions just because you think they’re not deserving of humane treatment. I alluded to this earlier, inhumane conditions are deliberate. They think it’ll deter them (like a flight to Rwanda). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 Wow, it turns out Braverman is probably the worst human being currently alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Apart from the disgusting rhetoric, just think, there are some people so **** stupid that they hear/read "The British people deserve to know which party is serious about stopping the invasion on our southern coast and which party is not", and they think "yeah, you know what, it's the party who've overseen this shitshow for 12 years who can sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: Wow, it turns out Braverman is probably the worst human being currently alive. All we know is that she's the most disgusting, dehumanising, uncompassionate, unqualified, disgraced Home Secretary since Priti Patel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: All we know is that she's the most disgusting, dehumanising, uncompassionate, unqualified, disgraced Home Secretary since Priti Patel. Are people buying this fascist bulls**t, though? I bet they are. I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that most people are clearings in the woods. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: “Let’s stop pretending they’re all refugees in distress” She’s absolutely vile. Justifying putting actual human beings in packed and unsanitary conditions just because you think they’re not deserving of humane treatment. In distress from coming over on a blow up dingy, or genuinely in distress fleeing a country where the police torture criminals. Or just after a better life in Britain. I don't really see many women and children coming over these days, a huge percentage are just men. Where do they go if it's found they are criminals fleeing jail, or if they fail to prove who they are because they have no documents or passports, I'd like to see figures. There is no doubt it needs to be controlled much better, we are a country on it's knees, people going to food banks, living on the streets, I can see why the immigration debate gets out of hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I don't really see many women and children coming over these days, a huge percentage are just men. How often do you go to the Kent coast to watch the boats land out of curiosity? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 The demographics are here for interest (for 2021): https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/united-kingdom/statistics/ Gender/age breakdown of the total number of applicants: 2021 Number Percentage Total number of applicants 56,495 100% Men (incl. children) 45,124 80% Women (incl. children) 11,147 20% Children 6,215 11% Unaccompanied children 3,762 7% Source: National Statistics Authority; Home Office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted October 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, desensitized43 said: “Let’s stop pretending they’re all refugees in distress” She’s absolutely vile. Justifying putting actual human beings in packed and unsanitary conditions just because you think they’re not deserving of humane treatment. Let's stop pretending anyone voted for these words removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: In distress from coming over on a blow up dingy, or genuinely in distress fleeing a country where the police torture criminals. Or just after a better life in Britain. I don't really see many women and children coming over these days, a huge percentage are just men. Where do they go if it's found they are criminals fleeing jail, or if they fail to prove who they are because they have no documents or passports, I'd like to see figures. There is no doubt it needs to be controlled much better, we are a country on it's knees, people going to food banks, living on the streets, I can see why the immigration debate gets out of hand. Where they’re coming from and why isn’t the point. Anyone who comes over deserves to be treated like a human being while their case is being dealt with. Not crammed into an overcrowded centre like an animal in inhuman conditions. There’s a backlog of cases that have built up which means there’s more people in the system but as the chart someone posted above demonstrates, it isn’t because there’s vastly more people arriving. It’s due to underfunding and neglect. A deliberate attempt to make the experience of having your case heard as uncomfortable and humiliating as possible. On whether there’s more men than women and children. You’re right in that but ask yourself why that’s the case. If we actually took the people from the camps and dislocated people around the world we’d see a balance but if the only way to get here is by walking and hitchhiking across Europe then it’s not a surprise that those caring for small children, the weak and the old either don’t make it or see it as too big of a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2022 words fail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2022 And here's another nice man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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