ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just the right time to cut benefits and school budgets then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 The only person in the country who is less popular is Prince Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2022 Here is a thread that explains what has been going on in the Tory Party for decades and why pinning this all on Truss is a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted October 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Scandalous. These arseholes should be done for treason, all of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted October 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2022 Desperate times: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted October 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just now, choffer said: Desperate times: I don’t see how they can justify another change in PM without a GE. Whilst they technically can, it would just look terrible and likely cause the complete and utter collapse of the party. It would also likely lead to a number of MPs who are so desperate to keep their jobs that they either join another party or create their own. Pushing the Tories further down the path of their own destruction. Shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, cyrusr said: I don’t see how they can justify another change in PM without a GE. Whilst they technically can, it would just look terrible and likely cause the complete and utter collapse of the party. It would also likely lead to a number of MPs who are so desperate to keep their jobs that they either join another party or create their own. Pushing the Tories further down the path of their own destruction. Shame They can do it if they can all agree on someone to stand behind. The question then is "what then?". So May takes over as PM, do they then have another long drawn out Tory XFactor where they'll tear strips off each other and we get a PM from one side of the party and the other then goes ballistic like now. Or even worse, we get someone even less competent than Truss, because we've just proved that the Tory golf-club-member types clearly can't be trusted to elect someone remotely credible. Does May stay and fight an election? It's all just such a **** mess. It'll only be sorted by a GE, which the Tories will not allow for another 18 months because they know they'll get massacred. Utterly selfish. I really hope the country doesn't forget what these scumbags have done. Also, I was thinking about this earlier today. We've technically not had a government in 2022 at all. They spent Q1 talking about all the parties they had and defending sexual predators, Q2 holding a talent show for posh pricks and Q3 destorying the economy and each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: They can do it if they can all agree on someone to stand behind. The question then is "what then?". So May takes over as PM, do they then have another long drawn out Tory XFactor where they'll tear strips off each other and we get a PM from one side of the party and the other then goes ballistic like now. Or even worse, we get someone even less competent than Truss, because we've just proved that the Tory golf-club-member types clearly can't be trusted to elect someone remotely credible. Does May stay and fight an election? There's nothing they can really do that doesn't make it worse for them. Their issue is that the members favour Johnson or Sunak, but neither of those two is palatable to the other (and their supporters) so cannot be just anointed - as enough MPs and members will kick off, setting off another round of fighting. But if you were Johnson or Sunak, why would you let the unity candidate of Hunt / Mordaunt just become PM, when you'd be confident of beating them with the members? Edited October 18, 2022 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I genuinely think they will bring Boris back. As far as my dad is concerned it was the media that got rid of Boris and not a vote of no confidence from his own MPs. All will be forgiven/completely forgotten because they didn’t realise post Boris could be this shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: There's nothing they can really do that doesn't make it worse for them. Their issue is that the members favour Johnson or Sunak, but neither of those two is palatable to the other (and their supporters) so cannot be just anointed - as enough MPs and members will kick off, setting off another round of fighting. But if you were Johnson or Sunak, why would you let the unity candidate of Hunt / Mordaunt just become PM, when you'd be confident of beating them with the members? Has anyone managed to ask Johnson what he thinks about coming back? Surely from a purely financial point of view it's not in his interest now be can go make thousands on the speaking cicuit? Has he even been to parliament since he got dumped? He doesn't strike me as the "forgive and forget" type either, quite the opposite. Also, if you were the "unity candidate", and I'd heard Ben Wallace's name mentioned, what's the advantage of taking over as captain of a ship that's clearly going down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Graham Brady is truly the iron horse of politics. The poor man doesn't have time to have a nice rest as probably has to organise yet another leadership election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: It's all just such a **** mess. It'll only be sorted by a GE, which the Tories will not allow for another 18 months because they know they'll get massacred. Utterly selfish. I really hope the country doesn't forget what these scumbags have done. The longer this goes on, MPs will realise that they are going to be out of a job soon, or many of them anyway. Now, given the absolute shit show that we have, many of those MPs will know that they will find it hard to actually get a job after their defeat. Those cushy directorates / advisory jobs will just not be there such is the level of hatred for them. They know this. A lot of them may draw the conclusion that it is better to be responsible for bringing the shitshow down than it is to just meekly sit it out. How they do that and how they pull it off I don't know but don't assume that sitting it out to the bitter end will be the only endgame in town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2022 Just now, The Fun Factory said: Graham Brady is truly the iron horse of politics. The poor man doesn't have time to have a nice rest as probably has to organise yet another leadership election. Well it'll keep him in the news as he's high on the losing his seat list.. He only has a 6K majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Has anyone managed to ask Johnson what he thinks about coming back? Surely from a purely financial point of view it's not in his interest now be can go make thousands on the speaking cicuit? He can do that anytime- he wants to be Prime Minister and thinks that it's rather beastly that he doesn't get to do it anymore. If he wasn't planning to come back, he'd have quit Parliament. He's not hanging about to provide scrutiny of policy from the back-benches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, ml1dch said: He can do that anytime- he wants to be Prime Minister and thinks that it's rather beastly that he doesn't get to do it anymore. If he wasn't planning to come back, he'd have quit Parliament. He's not hanging about to provide scrutiny of policy from the back-benches. Why would he quit his £84,000 per year job as a backbench MP when he doesn't have to turn up or do anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: Well it'll keep him in the news as he's high on the losing his seat list.. He only has a 6K majority I've still never stayed up much beyond the exit poll for a General Election as it's always felt a bit depressing. It's going to be a long two years waiting for the enjoyment of seeing all these terrible people get beaten. Assuming we're all still alive then and elections still exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Why would he quit his £84,000 per year job as a backbench MP when he doesn't have to turn up or do anything? The same reason that every single one of his recent predecessors (apart from Theresa May) did. It's what former Prime Ministers do these days. They've been in charge, they don't hang around to be reminded that they're not anymore. Particularly someone as vain and hubristic as Johnson. Edited October 18, 2022 by ml1dch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 18, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I've still never stayed up much beyond the exit poll for a General Election as it's always felt a bit depressing. It's going to be a long two years waiting for the enjoyment of seeing all these terrible people get beaten. Assuming we're all still alive then and elections still exist. I think this time I'll be booking the next day off work and will have a good stock of red wine and nibbles in There may even be popcorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I've still never stayed up much beyond the exit poll for a General Election as it's always felt a bit depressing. It's going to be a long two years waiting for the enjoyment of seeing all these terrible people get beaten. Assuming we're all still alive then and elections still exist. '97 was brilliant. 25 years of depressing election nights since! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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