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KentVillan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: She’s taking pelters for this, but there really is no dignified way of curtseying. The whole point is it’s meant to show what a subservient pleb you are. Stupid tradition. Let the women do a little head bow like the men. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Edit- although (and I've mentioned this before) the Times Radio focus group episodes that Matt Chorley does every couple of weeks are always really good for this stuff. They did one post-new PM and pre-new King, and pretty much the whole group was: Voted Tory 2019. Wouldnt vote Johnson over Starmer. Hadn't heard of Truss before Monday. Would vote Truss over Starmer. Bleak. Edited September 10, 2022 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Rolta said: Bleak. Oh, absolutely. I'm not here to provide good news. I think that was nationally banned as a concept sometime around 1997. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Oh, absolutely. I'm not here to provide good news. I think that was nationally banned as a concept sometime around 1997. To cheer you up, I think those James Johnson focus groups for Times Red Box are basically bull shit. They’re engineered for entertainment, and don’t tell you much about what is actually going on, nor what will happen. ”People who voted Tory in 2019” is a very wide section of the population, and it all depends who you speak to, and how you frame the conversation. 8 random Tory voters aren’t statistically representative of anything, and of course a lot of previous Tory voters are going to vote Tory again regardless of who the leader is. What matters is the swing voters in marginal seats. And bear in mind, that the Lib Dems (and Labour tactical voters backing Lib Dems) will be doing a lot of the heavy lifting in middle England. I think Starmer’s in a very strong position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, KentVillan said: What matters is the swing voters in marginal seats What matters more is the turnout and the abstainers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, mjmooney said: What matters more is the turnout and the abstainers. Yes although turnout has a very strong, and relatively predictable pattern. People who have routinely voted in previous elections will most likely vote again, people who see voting as a duty, people who are politically engaged - there’s loads of academic research on this in the UK, and it’s pretty solid. You’d expect turnout to be somewhere in that 65-75% range. I’d guess it’ll be at the upper end this time because more seats than usual will be perceived as winnable/loseable, and there are lots of different powerful motivations next time (possibility of new party of govt, Lib Dems detoxified, Greens more popular, energy / inflation crisis, etc). But I think the general rule in an FPTP election that whoever makes the strongest pitch to swing voters in marginals still stands. In the US, there’s been a lot of talk in recent years about turnout/abstention being more important, but they have lower average turnouts to begin with, massive voter suppression programmes by the Republicans, mass party registration and direct targeting of voters which isn’t possible here, and all kinds of electoral corruption, gerrymandering and pork barrel politics that doesn’t really occur here (at least, nowhere near the same scale). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 08/09/2022 at 20:42, NurembergVillan said: I did it! I got ALL the reactions! Well done. In the trade we call this a six-er 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 It’ll be interesting to see what happens in Tamworth. Always a tory safe seat, but with Pincher still hanging around as an independent now. Nobody is gonna vote for him again. Will they vote for a random they stick in a blue tie? Or will it switch to Labour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted September 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: It’ll be interesting to see what happens in Tamworth. Always a tory safe seat, but with Pincher still hanging around as an independent now. Nobody is gonna vote for him again. Will they vote for a random they stick in a blue tie? Or will it switch to Labour? Wanna bet? There's always a section of idiots/nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, sidcow said: Wanna bet? There's always a section of idiots/nutters. I really hope he stands again and splits the vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted September 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, bickster said: The Thatchers advert in the background is the mark of genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 15, 2022 Kwarteng is a dangerous man. He's directly responsible for 80% cap on our energy prices and is currently working on a raft of banking deregulation to make us more 'competitive' with Asian markets - the first of which will be to lift the cap on bankers bonuses that links them to their salaries - just what the country needs right now, more money for bankers and the encouragement for them to gamble. Looks look the govt also intends to rollback some of the legislation on selling sweets at tills an food labelling, Corporatocracy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Got a feeling they know they aren't getting back in and are going to spend the next 18 months rushing to change as much in their and their rich mates' favour as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Politicians giving themselves the options of high paid consultancy work in either energy or banking sectors once they’re ousted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Stevo985 Posted September 15, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Xann said: Honestly one of the absolute scummiest pieces of shit words removed on the entire planet 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Honestly one of the absolute scummiest pieces of shit words removed on the entire planet Filthy rich and powerful. How does he use it? To shit all over regular people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 15, 2022 That clip just perfectly demonstrates how out of touch he is with any remotely "normal" people. Whenever you get a working class person voting Tory they should be shown that video 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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