tinker Posted September 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2022 Starmer is trying to get into power by stealth. Not giving the Daily Mail anything to get their teeth into and destroy him. The thing is there's a huge amount of voters who don't realise or want to realise the mess we're in partly because of the lies spouted by the Brexit crew. I wonder what boost we would have if by some miracle we rejoined the EU or at least the trading block? With each decision made by this government it makes the UK a less attractive place to live for the bright young things of today. I'm not sure what can pull us out of this mess but these morons we have as politicians don't seem to have a hell in hopes chance of giving us the answers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I'd like it slide with Blair for the first few years, for the same reason I would Cameron against Miliband - most of the shadow cabinet were part of that last government. At this point though, after 12 years, it's more than a bit ridiculous when the majority of the last Labour government haven't been on the front benches for years. I think Yvette Cooper might be the last member of Brown's cabinet still active on the Labour frontbench Agreed you can get away with it maybe a couple years after. But 12 years after is absolutely ridiculous. Just get on with the job and stop blaming the previous government 1w years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 7, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Genie said: It doesn’t take much for it to stick. We’ll see. For it (any of this stuff) to stick it has to have an appearance of credibility with people. Governments that have been in power a long time, blaming the opposition tend not to get that benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: I just rewatched that question and the part you’ve quoted is not after the point I was referring to. When she blamed labour for not implementing nuclear stations he completely side stepped it and reverted to his previous point about the bill being picked up by ordinary people She was let off the hook, like SKR used to do weekly with BJ. It would be perfectly valid (imo) to make the point that blaming the party in power 12 years ago for todays troubles was ridiculous. The Tories could have reversed Labours policies at any time since 2010. Starmer constantly let Boris off the hook is deep down he knows that it would be a disaster if labour got in, mainly because of what they'd have to deal with. The energy crisis, brexit etc. I'm convinced it's why Theresa May went out to destroy her election campaign despite having a huge majority when she announced the election. She didn't want to have to deal with Brexit. It's the chalice that no party want's to deal with. It's why Starmer is soft on the opposition. Do enough to voice a concern but not enough to make labour electable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2022 Starmer can't spook the horses. As a result he doesn't really do much of anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted September 7, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, Chindie said: Starmer can't spook the horses. As a result he doesn't really do much of anything. He can't do anything meaningful unless Labour get elected. Labour won't get elected by spooking the horses. I think therefore he is as he is at least in part by tactical choice (and part by nature). I mean it's not kind of my preference, which is more the kind of Angela Rayner type of attitude and approach, but we'll see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, blandy said: He can't do anything meaningful unless Labour get elected. Labour won't get elected by spooking the horses. I think therefore he is as he is at least in part by tactical choice (and part by nature). I mean it's not kind of my preference, which is more the kind of Angela Rayner type of attitude and approach, but we'll see. That's ok but we have a populist electorate that need someone to fight for them, one way or another. It wouldn't take much for another party to form and challenge the traditional 2 and divide the electorate. Fingers crossed, if it happens, they have honourable intentions. A Boris, Farage type party would be very electable to large sections of the voting masses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, tinker said: It wouldn't take much for another party to form and challenge the traditional 2 and divide the electorate. 77 years of Postwar history says this is nonsense. I wish it wasn't Just go to the Wiki List of current UK parties registered with the electoral commision. There are currently 408 registered political parties in the UK Quote The Electoral Commission's Register of Political Parties[1] lists the details of political parties registered to fight elections in the United Kingdom, including their registered name. Under current electoral law, including the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998, the Electoral Administration Act 2006, and the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000, only registered party names can be used on ballot papers by those wishing to fight elections. Candidates who do not belong to a registered party can use "independent" or no label at all. As of 2 August 2019, the Electoral Commission showed the number of registered political parties in Great Britain and Northern Ireland as 408 You think another party is going to make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LondonLax Posted September 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, tinker said: That's ok but we have a populist electorate that need someone to fight for them, one way or another. It wouldn't take much for another party to form and challenge the traditional 2 and divide the electorate. Fingers crossed, if it happens, they have honourable intentions. A Boris, Farage type party would be very electable to large sections of the voting masses. That already happened. ‘UKIP’ have been in power since 2019 and the traditional Tory party survives in name only. The same thing happened in the US. The MAGA party have been one of the big two there since 2017, the Republicans are struggling on as a minority only. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, bickster said: 77 years of Postwar history says this is nonsense. I wish it wasn't Just go to the Wiki List of current UK parties registered with the electoral commision. There are currently 408 registered political parties in the UK You think another party is going to make a difference? Reminds me of the XKCD classic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 What the hell is “clear blue water”? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Genie said: What the hell is “clear blue water”? Not even they seem to know judging by how off the first example is compared to the others. My guess is they're trying to use it in the same was as "daylight" between their positions and conjure up imagery of sewage pouring into the water under the tories but...This is not how normal people communicate. Edit: I misread which thread I'm in. Probably almost that, but the opposite of that Edited September 7, 2022 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: What the hell is “clear blue water”? I believe its the sort of water countries have when they don’t pump shit and tampons into their rivers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I believe its the sort of water countries have when they don’t pump shit and tampons into their rivers. Specifically EU countries that don’t have the same freedoms that we have I assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Genie said: What the hell is “clear blue water”? Sits beneath the blue sky thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Xela said: Sits beneath the blue sky thinking. Clear Blue make pregnancy tests, so clear blue water must be piss. Liz Truss has put “piss” between her and Keir Starmer. I guess it’s one way of being left alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genie Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 I’m expect Liz to get her first taste of major backlash today when she unveils her plans to get energy bills under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 13 hours ago, Chindie said: Starmer can't spook the horses. As a result he doesn't really do much of anything. He does a fantastic impression of a little kid wanting his go on the PlayStation though. It is 12 years becasue Labour are not good enough, sneaky enough or politically competent enough to get into power. Do we need him popping up telling us how long it is since Labour had a go ? He is relying on pity more than anything now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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