Hobsons Choice Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, limpid said: It can't be a theory is it's unsubstantiated. A theory is the pinnacle of science. In this list, you mean "1) Wild assertion". I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that the thing that's measurably happening now, right outside your window, that we as climate scientists told you was going to happen 20, 30, 40 years ago, is a wild assertion? The thing that every peer reviewed climate scientist in the world is screaming for action over, is a wild assertion? That has been borne out in climate modelling undertaken on literally billions of iterations of some of the most complex and advanced computer models invented by humans is a wild assertion? Or do you think that we just sit in an office and play minecraft all day and spunk out a report at 4pm on a Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 31, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that the thing that's measurably happening now, right outside your window, that we as climate scientists told you was going to happen 20, 30, 40 years ago, is a wild assertion? The thing that every peer reviewed climate scientist in the world is screaming for action over, is a wild assertion? That has been borne out in climate modelling undertaken on literally billions of iterations of some of the most complex and advanced computer models invented by humans is a wild assertion? Or do you think that we just sit in an office and play minecraft all day and spunk out a report at 4pm on a Friday? No, I was correcting Dave's use of the word "theory". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MakemineVanilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, limpid said: It can't be a theory is it's unsubstantiated. A theory is the pinnacle of science. In this list, you mean "1) Wild assertion". Just as a matter of interest, is the word 'theory' a synonym for 'hypothesis'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 31, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, MakemineVanilla said: Just as a matter of interest, is the word 'theory' a synonym for 'hypothesis'? No. Please bring the thread back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: Imagine, with everything going on in the country at the moment; the covid fallout, the economic downturn, the cost of living crisis, the energy crisis, inflation, the lack of trust in the government, Brexit fallout, the climate emergency etc; and you get one chance to ask something of the potential future leader of the country, and the one thing you feel empowered to ask is whether they could abolish the speed limit 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Imagine, with everything going on in the country at the moment; the covid fallout, the economic downturn, the cost of living crisis, the energy crisis, inflation, the lack of trust in the government, Brexit fallout, the climate emergency etc; and you get one chance to ask something of the potential future leader of the country, and the one thing you feel empowered to ask is whether they could abolish the speed limit Trolling, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Imagine, with everything going on in the country at the moment; the covid fallout, the economic downturn, the cost of living crisis, the energy crisis, inflation, the lack of trust in the government, Brexit fallout, the climate emergency etc; and you get one chance to ask something of the potential future leader of the country, and the one thing you feel empowered to ask is whether they could abolish the speed limit It reminds me a bit of PMQ’s when there is a HUGE topic being debated and one of the MP’s uses their moment to ask about funding for a new library sign in their constituency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Genie said: It reminds me a bit of PMQ’s when there is a HUGE topic being debated and one of the MP’s uses their moment to ask about funding for a new library sign in their constituency. Yeah, I understand why they do it, but it is a bit jarring. Edited September 1, 2022 by HKP90 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Yeah, I understand why they do it, but it is a bit jarring. It breaks the flow of the debate and discussion, which is probably deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just now, Genie said: It breaks the flow of the debate and discussion, which is probably deliberate. I'm not sure I believe that, although it's possible. I think it's just a function of how out system of representation works. The order of MP q's is predetermined, but each MP (aside from the senior cabinet) is asking questions put to them by constituents. Beryl from Doncaster doesn't care about Ukraine, she really just wants to use her local Post Office to send Xmas cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I'm not sure I believe that, although it's possible. I think it's just a function of how out system of representation works. The order of MP q's is predetermined, but each MP (aside from the senior cabinet) is asking questions put to them by constituents. Beryl from Doncaster doesn't care about Ukraine, she really just wants to use her local Post Office to send Xmas cards. They're not, they're asking whatever they want. Some might use the "my constituent has asked me to ask..." framing, but that's up to them. The main reason you get the "would the Prime Minster like to join me in congratulating the Little Dribbling under-12s for their fundraising efforts for the new hospital?" type questions is election material. When they get the "what have you done to make me vote for you?" questions on the doorstep, they can say "here is me, discussing our important local issues with none other than the Prime Minister him/herself!!!" To your average low-interest voter, that can look impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: They're not, they're asking whatever they want. Some might use the "my constituent has asked me to ask..." framing, but that's up to them. The main reason you get the "would the Prime Minster like to join me in congratulating the Little Dribbling under-12s for their fundraising efforts for the new hospital?" type questions is election material. When they get the "what have you done to make me vote for you?" questions on the doorstep, they can say "here is me, discussing our important local issues with none other than the Prime Minister him/herself!!!" To your average low-interest voter, that can look impressive. Fair point, but I don't find it that impressive given the crumbling of civilization around us. I don't think that's what most people are worried about, personally. Also, Beryl (sorry to pick on Beryls) is more likely to vote for said MP if her opinion is being voiced. I think one thing this election campaign showed us is that MPs are out for themselves, and their own re-election, at whatever level. Edited September 1, 2022 by HKP90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Just now, HKP90 said: Fair point, but I don't find it that impressive given the crumbling of civilization around us. I don't think that's what most people are worried about, personally. Sure, but that hasn't been the case for all of the last sixty years while MPs have been asking questions of the Prime Minister. It wouldn't surprise me if next session a lot of the more frivolous stuff stops - but with more than half the MPs in the chamber being on the PM's side (allegedly) every question about a new library sign is a question that isn't "you're really shit, aren't you Prime Minister?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted September 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: Sure, but that hasn't been the case for all of the last sixty years while MPs have been asking questions of the Prime Minister. It wouldn't surprise me if next session a lot of the more frivolous stuff stops - but with more than half the MPs in the chamber being on the PM's side (allegedly) every question about a new library sign is a question that isn't "you're really shit, aren't you Prime Minister?". Yeah but the more they move away from that public sentiment, the more they are going to be surprised when the electorate votes their sorry asses into the next world. They are so out of touch with public opinion, it's unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 1, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Genie said: It reminds me a bit of PMQ’s when there is a HUGE topic being debated and one of the MP’s uses their moment to ask about funding for a new library sign in their constituency. That is legitimate though, it's PMQs so there isn't a set topic and the MP is literally doing what he's elected to do, representing his constituents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, bickster said: That is legitimate though, it's PMQs so there isn't a set topic and the MP is literally doing what he's elected to do, representing his constituents Yeah I get that. It’s just annoying when for example all other MP’s are wading in on Boris for breaking the law, the chancellor for pissing away billions or anything related to the Brexit shit show… and someone says that the speed bumps on their high street are too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Genie said: Yeah I get that. It’s just annoying when for example all other MP’s are wading in on Boris for breaking the law, the chancellor for pissing away billions or anything related to the Brexit shit show… and someone says that the speed bumps on their high street are too high. Why would MPs that are on the side of the Government ask questions that are difficult for the Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Why would MPs that are on the side of the Government ask questions that are difficult for the Government? Sometimes they do, and they earn the respect of their constituents. They could also use the opportunity to say something that is in support of their parties leadership. It’s just something that annoys me when they entirely change the topic which of course they are free to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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