MakemineVanilla Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 12 hours ago, bickster said: I have no faith in "the system." We only live in a quasi-democracy at present. But the system as you call it is only as good as the people we allow to put themselves forward to represent both the people and the system. It is as broken as it is because the people allow it to be. Having said that, I'd still rather this current system with all it's many flaws than a one party dictatorship. I want our system of democracy to be much changed but I wouldn't describe voting to be a futile exercise either because it clearly isn't I used to believe that many years ago but the world taught me different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Probably nothing. But might be interesting. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Probably nothing. But might be interesting. . Makes sense doesn’t it? Didn’t Gove say he was stepping down as an MP recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Makes sense doesn’t it? Didn’t Gove say he was stepping down as an MP recently? Nope. He recently said he doesn't expect to be in government again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Nope. He recently said he doesn't expect to be in government again. Oh okay, I misunderstood then obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Finally managed to read the mood of the nation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hobsons Choice Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 14 hours ago, ml1dch said: Finally managed to read the mood of the nation They are doing soakaway testing wrong. That's not to BRE Digest 365. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Xann said: Nice bit of photoshopping but wasn't it Theresa May in 2019, who was persuaded by the Green lobby to commit the country to Net-Zero? I have since learned that it was not Boris who chose to sanction Russia but that he was just following orders by his global masters. As far as I know, no opposition party has expressed any objection to either policy but have demanded a greater commitment to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I have since learned that it was not Boris who chose to sanction Russia but that he was just following orders by his global masters. It's like you deliberately choose to misrepresent what people say. That isn't what was said at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Nice bit of photoshopping but wasn't it Theresa May in 2019, who was persuaded by the Green lobby to commit the country to Net-Zero? I have since learned that it was not Boris who chose to sanction Russia but that he was just following orders by his global masters. As far as I know, no opposition party has expressed any objection to either policy but have demanded a greater commitment to both. Is that a bad thing? Half the world is on fire, the other half underwater. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Nice bit of photoshopping but wasn't it Theresa May in 2019, who was persuaded by the Green lobby to commit the country to Net-Zero? She certainly legislated for it. Fortunately though for fans of democratic scrutiny of Government policy, her successor was given an enormous electoral mandate to continue with that policy by including a commitment to it in his 2019 manifesto. So the people of the UK have given their unequivocal backing to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 31, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Nice bit of photoshopping but wasn't it Theresa May in 2019, who was persuaded by the Green lobby to commit the country to Net-Zero? I have since learned that it was not Boris who chose to sanction Russia but that he was just following orders by his global masters. As far as I know, no opposition party has expressed any objection to either policy but have demanded a greater commitment to both. Are you linking net zero and sanctions on Russia to NHS collapse, excessive Covid deaths, homelessness, Downing Street parties, law breaking, business closures and so on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, bickster said: It's like you deliberately choose to misrepresent what people say. That isn't what was said at all I thought you said it was Boris not who decided on the sanctions but the West. I apologise you wrote something different. Edited August 31, 2022 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: So the people of the UK have given their unequivocal backing to it. Thanks for that. It was my contention that the electorate had actually agreed with Net-Zero, and I'm glad to have it confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, blandy said: Are you linking net zero and sanctions on Russia to NHS collapse, excessive Covid deaths, homelessness, Downing Street parties, law breaking, business closures and so on? I think that comes under the heading of other crimes taken into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 hours ago, HKP90 said: Is that a bad thing? Half the world is on fire, the other half underwater. Heh - The full preamble to this is in the Global Warming thread. There's some corking links. In a nutshell, it boils down to who you believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Xann said: Heh - The full preamble to this is in the Global Warming thread. There's some corking links. In a nutshell, it boils down to who you believe? I always love the use of the word belief when it's used to counter empirical data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: I always love the use of the word belief when it's used to counter empirical data. Yeah, those debates always follow the same sequence. 1) Unsubstantiated theory 2) Present data why it’s not true 3) “I don’t believe that data” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted August 31, 2022 Administrator Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Yeah, those debates always follow the same sequence. 1) Unsubstantiated theory 2) Present data why it’s not true 3) “I don’t believe that data” It can't be a theory is it's unsubstantiated. A theory is the pinnacle of science. In this list, you mean "1) Wild assertion". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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