OutByEaster? Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, a m ole said: Matters for winning a general election though right? The candidates aren't there to fool the electorate into voting for them - that's the media's job, the candidates just have to impress the money that controls the way the election is presented to voters. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aston_Villan4 Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Kemi elminated Shows how out of touch the tories are if they think truss is going to win them an election. Also they ousted boris but are voting for sunak a borislyte. That’s a shame. I like Kemi. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Maybe she wasn’t talking about income tax? Her proposal talks about fuel duty? She was talking about her wage decreasing flipping burgers at 3.25 and hour when tax increased. She wasn't taxed earning that low a wage when she claimed it happened. It is demonstrably a lie Fuel duty has no bearing on her low pay in McDonalds, I doubt she could afford a car 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 If truss is the best option they have they might as well give the keys to starmer now. As bad as boris was at least he won a election. Truss would get trounced.i reckon she would do worse than hague and howard did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Truss would get trounced.i reckon she would do worse than hague and howard did This opinion sounds so good I seriously hope it kills the Tory Party for good (it won't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: She was talking about her wage decreasing flipping burgers at 3.25 and hour when tax increased. She wasn't taxed earning that low a wage when she claimed it happened. It is demonstrably a lie Fuel duty has no bearing on her low pay in McDonalds, I doubt she could afford a car It’s a common gammon trope that people on minimum wage don’t pay tax but they in fact do pay a range of taxes. It would be perfectly rational for her to suggest certain taxes could be reduced that would help people flipping burger on minimum wage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Maybe she wasn’t talking about income tax? Her proposal talks about fuel duty? She might also have been working more than 24 hours a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: She might also have been working more than 24 hours a week. This is irrelevant, she was 16 and attending college full time and the wage McDonalds paid her was so far below any taxation theshold at the time she could have worked for considerably more hours and not paid a penny in tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Yes, she'll get all Kemi's backers. They won't switch to Penny. So that puts her head to head with the conservative members who will take her tax cutting and Brexit is never over, it's war with EU till we die approach over Rishi This is why Truss is the new fav for PM I don't know. So far she has been terrible in both of the debates so she could tank on the stumps. None of them have any power base as such within the party membership. Neither have come from a local council background and have less than 20 years of MP experience between them. The party membership polling has shown to be fickle as most are not active members and probably get most of their information from the Daily Hail, Express or Conservative Home. So it will be largely a beauty pageant competition and Sunak is a better performer in that sense. Not saying his policies are any good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: If truss is the best option they have they might as well give the keys to starmer now. As bad as boris was at least he won a election. Truss would get trounced.i reckon she would do worse than hague and howard did You say it like it’s a bad thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: That’s a shame. I like Kemi. We got a live one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, The Fun Factory said: I don't know. So far she has been terrible in both of the debates so she could tank on the stumps. None of them have any power base as such within the party membership. Neither have come from a local council background and have less than 20 years of MP experience between them. The party membership polling has shown to be fickle as most are not active members and probably get most of their information from the Daily Hail, Express or Conservative Home. So it will be largely a beauty pageant competition and Sunak is a better performer in that sense. Not saying his policies are any good though. Wait until she gets the Boris Seal of Approval (just look at who is backing her) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bickster said: This is irrelevant, she was 16 and attending college full time and the wage McDonalds paid her was so far below any taxation theshold at the time she could have worked for considerably more hours and not paid a penny in tax I assumed from the previous post that >24 hours would have tipped her into some level of taxation. TBF to Mcdonald’s they seem to offer good financial support for students on top of their wages. Edited July 19, 2022 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: We got a live one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 19, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Genie said: O assumed from the previous post that >24 hours would have tipped her into some level of taxation. TBF to Mcdonald’s they seem to offer good financial support for students on top of their wages. This was in the days before the minimum wage, she would have been on 3.25 per hour back then. A 40 hour week would have earned her less than 7K per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: This was in the days before the minimum wage, she would have been on 3.25 per hour back then. A 40 hour week would have earned her less than 7K per year Tax free allowance back then would have been £4-5k ish wouldn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: You say it like it’s a bad thing. Ha that party needs reform so not its not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: One for the Milot thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Ha that party needs reform so not its not The party needs tearing up and chucking away, and all members forced to parade naked through the streets whilst we get to throw eggs at them. Although I think this may be unlikely to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: The party membership polling has shown to be fickle as most are not active members and probably get most of their information from the Daily Hail, Express or Conservative Home. So it will be largely a beauty pageant competition and Sunak is a better performer in that sense. Not saying his policies are any good though. Given the Mail is, and the Express will be massive Truss supporters, I'm not sure that them getting all their information from there hurts Truss's chances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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