The Fun Factory Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Quite. A brown person with a funny foreign name, or a reincarnated fantasy Thatcher? No contest. For a right wing socially conservative party the Tories seem to be more tolerant on this than you would think. 2 female leaders which so far Labour and Lib Dems have had 1 combined. And 2 leaders from at a Jewish background in Disraeli (father converted to Christianity) and Michael Howard. Edited July 15, 2022 by The Fun Factory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, bickster said: I'm not so sure about that Dem, Truss' best chance of eventual victory is her overtaking Mordor with Sunak remaining quite strong. Truss needs a big chunk of the Braverman and Tugendhat votes to surge into second place ahead of Mordor. I think Truss may well pick up Bravermans votes or enough of them to stay in a firm third place but she really needs to appeal to Tugendhat's voters or at least stop them from going with Mordor. If Badenoch is the final one to leave the race, I think Truss will get those votes The real battle here is between Truss and Mordor Just imagine how pissed off the membership will be if they don't get the chance to vote for the candidate the absolute majority of them prefer. All valid points, but sunak will be a easy target because he is a boris ally depsite resigning he was very part of johnsons decison making. Truss is foreign secretary so shoild could be targetted too. I expect tugenhat and badenoch will probably be biggest losers tonight as i dont know if they are big enough names/personalities to reach out and make people switch alligencies and join them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: For a right wing socially conservative party the Tories seem to be more tolerant on this than you would think. 2 female leaders which so far Labour and Lib Dems have had 1 combined. And 2 leaders from at a Jewish background in Disraeli (father converted to Christianity) and Michael Howard. Thats actually a good point. When was the last female labour leader? Dont think ive seen one in my life time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Thats actually a good point. When was the last female labour leader? Dont think ive seen one in my life time There isn't one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I do find it amusing that Rishi's supporters tactically lending their votes out to stop Mordaunt are going to inadvertently put Truss into number 10. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Thats actually a good point. When was the last female labour leader? Dont think ive seen one in my life time Margaret Beckett - caretaker leader in 1994. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Closest we have came has been when Prime Minister's or leaders of the party have stepped down. Harriett Harman and Margaret Beckett. 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Thats actually a good point. When was the last female labour leader? Dont think ive seen one in my life time Harriett Harman, twice. But only acting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) I don’t think skin colour is a huge factor tbh. Rishi Sunak has obviously managed to get this far in life and politics. As have other very senior politicians, Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Nadhim Zahawi, Kwai Kwarteng, Alok Sharma, Sadiq Khan. I do wonder about people who keep mentioning it over and over… Edited July 15, 2022 by Genie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, bickster said: Sunak just isn't going to win in the membership vote. Agreed, he is too rich for even their membership to vote for him. It would be kind of strange to have a Pm in charge of levelling up who is worth more than some of the areas he is trying to actually level up. Also, it leaves him wide open all the time for things like wages, pay rises, heating homes, mortgages or inflation. He knows the words, that's about it, he can read an auto cue about the subjects fine but he has no real knowledge of what that means for families day to day. If he says he does he is lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted July 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2022 Why are there not 1 but 3 television debates between this lot?! 1 I can understand as although we aren’t voting, there will be some curiosity given this person will be PM but why do we need a debate tonight, Sunday and Monday? Just hoping for as much mud slinging as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, cyrusr said: Why are there not 1 but 3 television debates between this lot?! 1 I can understand as although we aren’t voting, there will be some curiosity given this person will be PM but why do we need a debate tonight, Sunday and Monday? Just hoping for as much mud slinging as possible. I think a part of it is so that different TV channels / networks get to show something. I haven’t checked but i’d assume it’s on a different channel each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: I do find it amusing that Rishi's supporters tactically lending their votes out to stop Mordaunt are going to inadvertently put Truss into number 10. The silence when people are slowly realising she’s expecting them to clap for that is absolutely agonising 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: The silence when people are slowly realising she’s expecting them to clap for that is absolutely agonising That implies a degree of empathy towards her that I'm just not capable of. To me its just highly amusing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xann Posted July 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2022 Channel 4 series 'It's A Sin'' wins an award, and the writer has something to say. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: I do find it amusing that Rishi's supporters tactically lending their votes out to stop Mordaunt are going to inadvertently put Truss into number 10. Can people stop sharing porn on here, I’m trying to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Xann said: Channel 4 series 'It's A Sin'' wins an award, and the writer has something to say. That man is one of my heroes and this makes him even more of a god to me Edited July 15, 2022 by Dodgyknees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: I don’t think skin colour is a huge factor tbh. Rishi Sunak has obviously managed to get this far in life and politics. As have other very senior politicians, Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Nadhim Zahawi, Kwai Kwarteng, Alok Sharma, Sadiq Khan. I do wonder about people who keep mentioning it over and over… Would matter for the general election. Tory would lose the racist vote and I reckon that would be quite significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted July 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: I do find it amusing that Rishi's supporters tactically lending their votes out to stop Mordaunt are going to inadvertently put Truss into number 10. That was all a bit Leslie Knope (Except for Leslie Knope being a caring, kind, compassionate person of course) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Would matter for the general election. Tory would lose the racist vote and I reckon that would be quite significant. They used to say the USA would never have a black president too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Genie said: They used to say the USA would never have a black president too. True but I think there is significantly larger black population in the USA as a percentage of the entire population in comparison to South Asians in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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