blandy Posted July 7, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, hippo said: So its over Not quite Winston Churchill was he ? No, but he tried to be a bit Churchillian, I thought - just some underlying stuff, really. Decent enough as a leaving announcement, I thought (taking the content out of context of the actual nature of the bloke). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, Davkaus said: When the dust settles, I do wonder which of Cameron, May, and Johnson goes down as the worst PM in modern history (so far). the coward the inept and the corrupt take your pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I guess Carry doesn't live there anymore! At least she can have a nice long Summer Holiday now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted July 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) **** him to hell and all of those that enabled him or voted for him. I hope his life falls apart the word removed. Edited July 7, 2022 by Ingram85 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I guess Carry doesn't live there anymore! She's a Devil Woman but We Don't Talk Anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, hippo said: True. But we got closer to that than ever before. Really? We had demonstrations. We had discontent. We weren't even close to a mob storming parliament. The UK has a wonderful system where the Armed Forces, Police, Judges and Civil Servants pledge allegiance to the Crown. I honestly believe that in my lifetime we will never see anything even close to a Hitler being elected democratically and then dismantling democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: When the dust settles, I do wonder which of Cameron, May, and Johnson goes down as the worst PM in modern history (so far). In my mind that easily goes to BoJo. By some distance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: When the dust settles, I do wonder which of Cameron, May, and Johnson goes down as the worst PM in modern history (so far). Still May - She was truly incompetent. Boris was just as corrupt as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Regardless of your political view you have to acknowledge that we’ve never had a leader encouraging the population to storm parliament or taking steps to install them self as a dictator His own party took him down. The Republicans didn't do that with Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the coward the inept and the corrupt take your pick Not completely sure which one you are describing as which. Apart from struggling to describe May as "corrupt", I'd say they are all perfectly applicable to all three of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, blandy said: Nah, it's neither. And the reasons for both are the same - too wedded to (often unwritten) tradition. It's completely unfit for the modern world. It does have some strongpoints, but I think other nations who took our system and then evolved it have better systems than us. We need to kick out some tradition. The church should also be completely excluded from any connection to the state. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 7, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Davkaus said: which of Cameron, May, and Johnson goes down as the worst PM in modern history (so far). Careless, clueless and reckless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Davkaus said: When the dust settles, I do wonder which of Cameron, May, and Johnson goes down as the worst PM in modern history (so far). I think best to worst is Cameron, May, Johnson. No question either tbh, by a mile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: His own party took him down. The Republicans didn't do that with Trump. Exactly. Bozo was shown a line in the sand numerous times. When he crossed it again and again he was brought down by the Government in a democratic way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: Really? We had demonstrations. We had discontent. We weren't even close to a mob storming parliament. The UK has a wonderful system where the Armed Forces, Police, Judges and Civil Servants pledge allegiance to the Crown. I honestly believe that in my lifetime we will never see anything even close to a Hitler being elected democratically and then dismantling democracy. Come on - they are dismantling the BBC our independent state broadcaster. He cocked a snoot at ministerial codes Seeking to block demonstrations Broke international law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Genie said: I think best to worst is Cameron, May, Johnson. No question either tbh, by a mile. Cameron gets off too easy, for kicking off the last 7 years of a shitshow to settle a small backbench rebellion, then **** off into the sunset, whistling, for some other word removed to pick up the pieces. It was an absolute failure of leadership that initiated everything that came afterwards. Edited July 7, 2022 by Davkaus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Not a single apology or mea culpa during his speech. He still can't see what he did wrong. I genuinely hope more details about his conduct come out when he leaves, so he's disgraced so much we never hear from him again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 7, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: We need to kick out some tradition. The church should also be completely excluded from any connection to the state. More than "some" IMO. The system we have of strong tribal adversarialism is disadvantageous. The FPTP voting system gives disproportionate power compared to "the will of the people". The Political party is given higher priority than the wellbeing of the nation. Patronage for donations, the second chamber stacked with cronies and massively too large...I could go on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Shame we will never have a down to earth PM, who, as the pun goes, would know the price of a bottle of milk. Sunak was not to bad, but one of the farthest away from real life chancellors we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Just now, hippo said: Come on - they are dismantling the BBC our independent state broadcaster. He cocked a snoot at ministerial codes Seeking to block demonstrations Broke international law. I am not defending him or his policies. But you cannot argue that Bozo was brought down by his own party and the UK Government acting in a democratic way. If didn't necessitate him being poisoned or his family being threatened with death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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