hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: All the PPS's resigning isn't about getting tainted by association with Johnson because they are too low for that. They are resigning so they can put letters in to the 1922 and vote in any new committee / rule changes Do they have to resign to put a letter of no confidence in ? - I wasn't aware of that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Watching this play out is so f in beautiful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: I would argue that they don't care about that. He's going, and the under-secretary for paperclip procurement isn't going to be the thing that makes it happen. It's because now that it's definitely happening, they want to be able to say on the doorstep in two years "I completely agree with you and that's why I resigned on principle". Nothing more than that. You're right about that reason but I think it’s both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Do they have to resign to put a letter of no confidence in ? - I wasn't aware of that . 1922 is backbenchers only 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Baha I’ve got plates with more leadership potential. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: Baha I’ve got plates with more leadership potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: I did originally type “Edward Argar” but I felt like that might open the door to a few Elgar gags being quoted back at me. Edward Argar is a bit of an enigma though 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 The junior ministers know which way the wind is blowing and know that tying their career prospects to the good ship Johnson is suicidal. There's very little reason for them to stay loyal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Here she is, certainly takes a Braverman than most to say this having seen what happened to Gove earlier - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Remember when the letters on the wall behind Theresa May fell down during her speech and that comedian gave her a pretend P45 and everyone wondered if she could survive it? Simpler times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 We only need Durham police to fine Starmer now and all hell will break loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, bickster said: 1922 is backbenchers only The point you were making were that PPS were resigning so they could submit a letter of no confidence. My understanding was they could submit such a letter without resigning.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chindie said: The junior ministers know which way the wind is blowing and know that tying their career prospects to the good ship Johnson is suicidal. There's very little reason for them to stay loyal. I'm getting disheartened now . Unless there is a method to remove him I don't know about - I can't see him going. It's all very well the 1922 boys - changing the rules next week or in a couple of weeks - but things will have changed by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: We only need Durham police to fine Starmer now and all hell will break loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, hippo said: The point you were making were that PPS were resigning so they could submit a letter of no confidence. My understanding was they could submit such a letter without resigning.? They can write what they want, to whomever they want. But you can't really serve in a government and carry out policy led by someone you don't think should be leading the government and dictating that policy can you? (In terms of precedent, anyway. That bunch of dicks from earlier telling him he should resign and now wondering what do next have possibly damaged that constitutional norm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: They can write what they want, to whomever they want. But you can't really serve in a government and carry out policy led by someone you don't think should be leading the government and dictating that policy can you? (In terms of precedent, anyway. That bunch of dicks from earlier telling him he should resign and now wondering what do next have possibly damaged that constitutional norm) Well a few weeks ago over 50 MPs submitted no confidence votes. None of them resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, hippo said: Well a few weeks ago over 50 MPs submitted no confidence votes. None of them resigned. I think 2 did. And the others weren’t/aren’t in government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, hippo said: Well a few weeks ago over 50 MPs submitted no confidence votes. None of them resigned. It's very important to understand what 'resigning' means. None of them are giving up their MP roles. They're simply returning to the backbenches, and refusing to take on extra responsibility on the government payroll as one of Johnson's ministers. It's not expected for backbenchers to agree with everything unless there are specific whips in place on issues. There is a sense of collective accountability for cabinet ministers, and more generally, a sense that if you don't believe in the PM or the government, you shouldn't continue to take on those extra responsibilities representing the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted July 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2022 Nicked from elsewhere: If you took a shot every time a minister resigned, you'd currently feel like Nadine Dorries by the time she finishes breakfast 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, hippo said: Well a few weeks ago over 50 MPs submitted no confidence votes. None of them resigned. None of them had anything that they needed to resign from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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